Why Did the U. S. Go To War in Europe in World War II?

Why did the U. S. go to war in Europe against Germany and Italy in World War II? Offhand I would say there were several reasons:

  • Pulling the British chestnuts out of the fire. The Brits were facing an existential threat and had been importuning us to enter the war against Germany for several years by the time we actually did.
  • Germany did pose a threat to the U. S. albeit not an existential one. German ships and aircraft were attacking U. S. merchant ships.
  • Germany invaded the Soviet Union. After the collapse of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the American Left, which had been steadfastly opposed to entering the war, insisted that we enter.
  • Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and the Japanese were allied with Germany and Italy. That removed the other impediment to U. S. entry into the war—American isolationists who also insisted that we enter the war.

Prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor U. S. public opinion remained pro-neutrality and we were officially neutral despite providing supplies to both the British and Soviets.

Consider this article by Tatyana Deryugina and Anastassia Fedyk in the Japan Times:

After a monthslong delay, the fractious United States House of Representatives finally approved more than $60 billion in military aid for Ukraine last week — and not a moment too soon.
Two years into Russia’s full-scale invasion, there is mounting pessimism about Ukraine’s ability to defend itself. The Ukrainian counteroffensive last summer failed to achieve its stated objectives after repeated delays in the delivery of Western weapons, while Russia ramped up its own military production and made limited territorial gains. As a result, a growing chorus of voices is asking whether it’s time for Ukraine and its allies to rethink their aims and consider a negotiated settlement.

Europe has been here before. The same question was being asked in 1941, two years after Nazi Germany began its own imperialist conquest by invading Poland. Among the prominent figures arguing against U.S. entry into World War II was Charles Lindbergh, who argued that there was no chance of success and that it would be best for the European war to “end without conclusive victory.”

Charles Lindbergh was a prominent isolationist. As I observed above we didn’t enter World War II until almost 2½ years after Germany invaded Poland and our entry had nothing whatever to do with Poland. I presume the authors are casting Russia in the role of Germany during World War II and Ukraine as Poland. The invasion and defeat of Poland took 35 days.

Nowhere in the article cited to the authors explain how the Ukrainians can prevail against Russia in a war of attrition or why the United States should enter into direct combat with Russia as we did against Germany during World War II.

As I’ve observed many times before, I advocate providing material support for Ukraine in its war with Russia but my objective is to secure the best possible terms for negotiating a settlement with Russia not the stated objectives of the Ukrainians. I believe the alternative to a negotiated settlement isn’t outright Ukrainian victory but continued destruction and deaths along with the possibility of a completely landlocked permanently dependent Ukraine.

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  • steve Link

    If only they had negotiated with the Germans they would have stopped.

    OT- You keep saying there is nothing of note but there is a lot going on with the abortion issue. IIRC you took the position that we wouldn’t see radical changes but we are with 6 week limits and the ongoing case in Idaho with 6 weeks and the only exception is the potential death of the woman, not her health but death. There is a 2-5 year jail sentence for docs if they violate this with loss of license. I was a doc for a long time, most doing acute care. There is no way to be 100% sure about when someone will die unless you wait until conditions are not reversible. So a doc cannot act earlier as that might be deemed preserving health. If you wait too late and the woman dies, you get sued. Needless to say, women are the big losers but it looks to me as though, in other states, they have set this up with such impossible terms that there is no medically correct way to function.

    Steve

  • I don’t recall taking any position on what would happen. I had hoped there would not be radical changes and that the most radical factions of each party would not press for their own and diametrically opposed outcomes.

    To be more specific legalized elective abortion all the way to term is a radical position. So is an outright ban.

  • If only they had negotiated with the Germans they would have stopped.

    Got it. The Ukrainians are exactly like the British in the 1930s and the Russians are exactly like the Germans. If that’s not what you’re saying, what are you saying?

    If I haven’t been specific enough I don’t think there are any “good guys” in this war. There are only bad guys and worse guys.

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    I get the authors are comparing this war to WWII; but there are other analogs, WW1, Korean War, Vietnam War, the 2 Gulf wars, or even the Chinese Civil War.

    There are examples where the US side was better equipped than the Ukrainians and the result was stalemate or outright defeat.

    One could also use other lessons from WW2; like its folly to fight wars deep in Eurasia far our supply chain….

  • I’ve been ruminating on those analogies. I don’t think any of them is particularly close, certainly not World War I, the Korean War, or the Vietnam War. I confess I don’t know enough about the Chinese Civil War to see if there’s a resemblance.

  • steve Link

    As practiced, legalized abortion to term is almost indistinguishable from what is practiced in places elsewhere in the world that set limits at 16-18 weeks.

    Steve

  • Should we infer from that you have no objection to a legal limit on elective abortion at 16 weeks?

  • Zachriel Link

    Why Did the U. S. Go To War in Europe in World War II?

    Among the many reasons, Hitler declared war on the United States on 11 December 1941, days after the Japanese attack on the United States. Hours later, Congress resolved: “Whereas the Government of Germany has formally declared war against the Government and the people of the United States of America . . . the state of war between the United States and the Government of Germany which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared”.

  • bob sykes Link

    I don’t like any of the analogies to other wars, especially Munich. The disinformation that the US is a peaceful country should stop. The US has one of the more violent histories among all countries. There’s barely a dozen years since 1607 that we weren’t at war with someone. The genocidal Indian wars ran from 1607 to 1918. Since WW II, we have started over 80% of all the wars in the whole world.

    We started the Ukrainian war with our coup in 2014, and we forced Ukraine to reject the ceasefire that had been negotiated in Istanbul in 2022. Our Ruling Caste wanted a war with Russia, and they got it. We and our NATO allies have troops in Ukraine out of uniform. We and the Brits had special forces troops operating in the Donbas since at least 2014. We and our allies operate the advanced missiles, and we chose the targets. We devised the disastrous counter offensive last year that cost Ukraine at least 400,000 casualties. If F-16’s ever get to Ukraine, we will fly them.

    Russia has indicated that it is open to negotiations, but facts on the ground must be the basis. That means Ukraine cedes territory, maybe a lot more than Russia currently controls. Moreover, the Russians still insist that the Zelensky and the neo-Nazi regime be removed and replaced; that Ukraine be disarmed substantially; that Ukraine be neutral and not part of NATO. Ukraine could join the EU.

    We are also drifting into conflict with China. Blinken’s disastrous visit ended with a news conference IN BEIJING !! in which he threatened China with a trade war and sanctions. We continue to arm Taiwan; we have US troops in uniform in Taiwan; and we continue to incite the Taiwanese to declare independence.

  • steve Link

    Yes, as long as you get the full package. There are exceptions for health (including mental health), fetal abnormalities, severe economic distress, paid for with public funds, widely available and no delays for ultrasounds ro waiting periods. You would also need much better child care and support for mother options as is done in much of the EU. In the US once the baby is out pro-life kind of ends in many places.

    Steve

  • Grey Shambler Link

    States rights matter.
    If being childless and free matters as much to today’s women, then why not be thankful that transportation is cheap?
    Go one or two states over and have it sucked out.
    Then party on.

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