Let’s try this. At the Missouri Independent Dillon Bergin and Rudi Keller report that there’s been enormous undercounting of deaths due to COVID-19:
In Cape Girardeau County, the coroner hasn’t pronounced a single person dead of COVID-19 in 2021.
Wavis Jordan, a Republican who was elected last year to serve as coroner of the 80,000-person county, says his office “doesn’t do COVID deaths.†He does not investigate deaths himself, and requires families to provide proof of a positive COVID-19 test before including it on a death certificate.
Meanwhile, deaths at home attributed to conditions with symptoms that look a lot like COVID-19 — heart attacks, Alzheimer’s and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease — increased.
“When it comes to COVID, we don’t do a test,†Jordan said, “so we don’t know if someone has COVID or not.â€
In Cape Girardeau County, the coroner hasn’t pronounced a single person dead of COVID-19 in 2021.
Wavis Jordan, a Republican who was elected last year to serve as coroner of the 80,000-person county, says his office “doesn’t do COVID deaths.†He does not investigate deaths himself, and requires families to provide proof of a positive COVID-19 test before including it on a death certificate.
Meanwhile, deaths at home attributed to conditions with symptoms that look a lot like COVID-19 — heart attacks, Alzheimer’s and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease — increased.
“When it comes to COVID, we don’t do a test,†Jordan said, “so we don’t know if someone has COVID or not.â€
The discrepancy is not limited to Cape Girardeau County, either:
Cape Girardeau County in Missouri; Hinds and Rankin counties in Mississippi; and Lafayette Parish in Louisiana are four of the 10 counties with the greatest spike in deaths not attributed to COVID-19. In those communities, official COVID-19 deaths account for just half of the increase in deaths in 2020.
If official figures are to be believed, in Lafayette Parish deaths at home from heart disease increased by 20% from 2019 to 2020. Deaths from hypertensive heart disease, or heart ailments due to high blood pressure, doubled and are on track to remain that high in 2021.
IMO the reality is actually complicated. For example, do you attribute deaths that can be attributed to lack of care to COVID-19? Or to the political response to COVID-19 which is arguably not the same thing.
It’s not hard to find complaints that the number of deaths due to COVID-19 has been tremendously over-stated. Google it for yourself if you don’t believe me. So, which is it? Are we under-counting deaths due to COVID-19 or over-counting them? My guess is both. I think it’s unconscionable that at this late date we have no solid notion of either the virulence of SARS-CoV-2 or its prevalence. We’ve got lots of estimates and models, based on assumptions you may or may not believe but real measurements are lacking.
What we also have lots of is politicization of something we should unite us. Instead we have lots of finger-pointing and placing blame which puts people who contract the disease “despite doing everything right” in an uncomfortable position which they hardly need at this point.
Does it make any difference? I think so, particularly with respect to prevalence. It should make a difference in the policies advocated whether the number who’ve contracted the disease is 1 in 6 Americans or 4 of 6 Americans. Which in turn would affect the reckoning of the virulence of the disease.
The excess death count is pretty reliable. Deaths from the most common causes like cancer and heart disease dont vary that much. A significant difference is likely covid. There is also the time factor with covid tending to come in waves. So a sharp peak and decrease in deaths over a 2 month period is probably not heart disease but rather covid.
Steve
I agree that the excess death count is pretty reliable. Attributing those deaths is the issue. As I noted in some places there is probably undercounting, in some places overcounting, and in yet other places both.
If you die of cancer while waiting for treatment, it’s an excess death. How is that counted? Similar issue with other conditions. Some of the excess mortality is due to COVID-19; some isn’t.
Some of these are caused by the needle killing people. No one wants to talk about that, of course.
I’ve been pointing out the fairly crude nature of the death statistics for quite a while. That they have been politicized is obvious. That conventions do not yet exist or that there is mistaken attribution also presents problems. The very same could be said about vaccines and treatments.
Unfortunately, some in the public health sector, with a healthy political agenda, are the worst offenders.
Finally read the entire article. Where these unreported deaths are occurring are in places where they mostly ignored mitigation rules ie rural counties, or those in the South and West. So in Mississippi, a focus of the report, they have the highest per capita death rate from Covid in the country at 1 in 285. They largely ignored everything. The only reason someone would have died while waiting at home would have been if their hospitals would have been overloaded. They could have easily reached 1 in 200 deaths from covid. Also, note that they were not seeing significant changes in death rates from cancer. The changes are increases in the catch all diagnoses like heart failure.
“Some of these are caused by the needle killing people.”
We have ICUs full of covid pts. We have no pts suffering from vaccine effects. There are lots of ongoing monitoring efforts. Besides looking at reported deaths or complications we have population studies like the one at the link. This looks for a pretty comprehensive list of medical issues as well as death and hospitalization. None of those increased after vaccination. There are about 6 million people in the study so it could miss complications at very, very low rates. If you want I can send you to the clinical calculator I use to help figure out if a study is large enough to be clinically useful.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784015
Steve
Politics. File this under no shit, Sherlock.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/lancet-editor-comes-clean-admits-he-knew-peter-daszak-had-significant-regrettable
Back in October of 2021 60% of those hospitalized with COVID had been vaccinated. That’s why Fauci and the govt are pushing boosters. After all if immunity of any length was achieved by these vaccinations, boosters would not
be needed. In fact new research is out now saying these vaccines are worth zero after 90 days, dealing with the omicron variant, with the new recommendation being having a booster every 30 days to be protected.
Then there is the data submitted by Pfizer right after their clinical trials, which cited fewer deaths from the vaccines than really occurred. Maybe that’s why Pfizer erased all their control group data, and now have put a hold on showing their data for over 50 years.
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/11/17/more-people-died-in-the-key-clinical-trial-for-pfizers-covid-vaccine-than-the-company-publicly-reported/
https://trib247.com/articles/california-nurses-report-overwhelming-number-of-heart-attacks-clotting-in-vaccinated-patients
This is why the COVID “surge†is so often disingenuous, in that people are being hospitalized for other ailments, and secondarily being cast as a COVID patient, and then dumped into surge statistics.
https://summit.news/2021/12/23/70-per-cent-of-londons-covid-hospitalisations-diagnosed-after-being-admitted-for-other-ailments/
â€Croatian Marin Cacic, 23, Algerian Soufiane Lokar, 30, and Omani Makhlid Al Raqadi, 29, all died this week from heart attacks. None had known preexisting conditions that could have caused their cardiac arrests. The bodies of all three are being examined to determine root causes of death.â€
Since professional soccer players are almost 100% fully vaccinated, it’s reasonable to believe these 3 young, healthy athletes were also fully vaccinated. Furthermore, the “surge†in deaths and/or adverse effects this past year, in sync with forced vaccinations, I think would lead more to wonder if there is a lethal link between these vaccines and sudden deaths.
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/over-a-60x-increase-in-serious-adverse
A 49 year old NYT editor died of a heart attack (12/17) the day after receiving his booster shot.
https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F27139e7e-71fa-4aa0-b0bd-74babd42319d_750x1334.png
As soon as COVID became a medical celebrity, in early 2020, the legacy news reported, incessantly, about the stats of cases, hospitalizations and deaths. It was a constant ticker tape of frightening news, setting the table for people to accept whatever protocols or restricted guidance the powers-that-be conjured up. Critical thinking, questioning or even debating the ever evolving “science†was condemned.
So, here we are today, with vaccines whose efficacy has proven to be transitory, and whose protective and infectious transmission abilities are less than what was promised. What is mounting, though, are the break-through cases of the fully vaccinated, with a continual seepage of unusual death numbers and adverse effects being reported mostly through secondary sources and first responders. What should be happening, if honesty prevailed, is a news media and medical community just as proactive about letting the public know about these post vaccine incidences occurring as they were in ramping up all the fear earlier upon the onset of this virus.
What people should keep in mind is how effusive Merck and doctors were about the safety and efficacy of Vioxx, until, way late in the game, and 55,000 deaths had occurred, the drug was taken off the market.
A 49 year old NYT editor died of a heart attack (12/17) the day after receiving his booster shot.
https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F27139e7e-71fa-4aa0-b0bd-74babd42319d_750x1334.png
As soon as COVID became a medical celebrity, in early 2020, the legacy news reported, incessantly, about the stats of cases, hospitalizations and deaths. It was a constant ticker tape of frightening news, setting the table for people to accept whatever protocols or restricted guidance the powers-that-be conjured up. Critical thinking, questioning or even debating the ever evolving “science†was condemned.
So, here we are today, with vaccines whose efficacy has proven to be transitory, and whose protective and infectious transmission abilities are less than what was promised. What is mounting, though, are the break-through cases of the fully vaccinated, with a continual seepage of unusual death numbers and adverse effects being reported mostly through secondary sources and first responders. What should be happening, if honesty prevailed, is a news media and medical community just as proactive about letting the public know about these post vaccine incidences occurring as they were in ramping up all the fear earlier upon the onset of this virus.
What people should keep in mind is how effusive Merck and doctors were about the safety and efficacy of Vioxx, until, way late in the game, and 55,000 deaths had occurred, the drug was taken off the market.
1) You have a citation for the 60% number? The CDC only fairly recently started tracking that number but our network and a number of states have been tracking it. Pretty consistently the unvaccinated have been making up 80% or more of hospitalizations, 90% of ICU admits and the large majority of deaths. Here is link for state of Washington, even though I know you wont read it, but the ones for other states are about the same, as is our network.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
(If you want to claim Washington is a liberal state and therefore lying Texas is the same.)
2) At this point billions of pts have been vaccinated. There are ongoing studies tracking data on millions of people looking at not only deaths but a wide range of complications. We arent seeing increases from the vaccines. I have yet to see an admission related to a vaccination. I am not sure if you understand issues like the size of a study you need to be clinically relevant (your writing suggests you dont), type 1 errors, type 2 errors, power, etc, but if you are interested (and I am wrong) and want to check for yourself if those studies are large enough to catch rare complications glad to provide link to an online calculator you can use to see if the studies are large enough. Pretty simple to use.
3) A few nurses noticing something, or a few doctors or few anyone should always be treated the same way. It should lead to further investigation (unless it is completely nutty or already investigated). Fortunately there are already studies underway to look at this particular issue and they are not seeing an increase. Our cardiologists/CT surgeons are actually disappointed. They thought they would all be making tons more money.
4) As of December 19 the hospitalization rate for Covid in the UK has stayed about even. I think, just like SA, they test hospitalized pts and found out that the incidence of covid in increasing. IOW it acts like a surveillance test. Last I saw most of their admissions for covid was still from the unvaccinated.
I believe it was a UK study that looked at the effects of 2 shots vs 2 shots and a booster. With just 2 shots you only get 5% protection from being infected but you still have 67% reduced risk of needing hospitalization. With boosters those numbers go to 48% and 91% respectively.
Steve
I went thru the WA link, coming away with the same ambivalence I’ve always had when it comes to the veracity of statistical evidence. The legitimacy of numbers are only as good as the objectivity of those who supply the data (garbage in, garbage out axiom). We’ve seen that in polling practices. And, I believe inaccurate citations are also intrinsically involved in some of the statistics being generated in vaccinated vs unvaccinated numbers requiring hospitalization. There have been numerous examples of nurses and case managers attempting to bring up issues patients have encountered after being vaccinated – linking their medical problems and current hospitalizations to taking the vaccines. And, time and time again, doctors or hospital administrators have objected to a VAERS form from being filled out. Many of these “whistleblowers†have then been fired or had to resign.
What I’ve also sadly noted, inquiring minds seem to be limited to only a few outspoken individuals, questioning the real efficacy and/or harm these vaccines may be doing. Despite the paucity and limitations of clinical trials, rushing vaccines to the public under EUAs, shielding pharmaceuticals from any liability, there continues to be a constant, punitive push to get everyone, young and old, vaccinated, using government stats and fear encouraging people to fall in line or else be subject to losing their job and be slimed as an “anti-Vaxer.â€
What I also find rather deceptive is how the omicron variant is not being explained better, detailing how it targets the upper respiratory areas (not the deep lungs) and consequently has mild symptoms for those who do become infected. Why doesn’t the medical industry emphasize what is happening in S Africa – how it’s already apparently ebbing? Why not submit how few omicron deaths have been reported, world wide, or that this rather non-lethal variant comprises almost 3/4s of the new cases? Why not underline what an increasing number of infectious disease scientists/doctors are speculating (with an RO number of 7-8) – that omicron could actually help us out of this virus by creating more “herd immunity?†Oh, that’s right…herd immunity is off the table as a goal to reach for.
https://thecovidworld.com/ambar-suarez-3-year-old-girl-dies-1-day-after-receiving-covid-19-vaccine-investigation-launched/
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/yet-another-independent-study-confirms
The original study is linked to the above sub stack article posted by Steve Kitsch. In this study it fields the idea that the VAERS deaths have been underreported by a factor of 20, leading to the speculation that over 150,000 deaths can be attributed to the COVID vaccines.
If this proves to be accurate then what and who should wear the garb of “misinformation?â€
As I thought, you would not accept data from Washington but here it is from Texas. You have to believe every state is in on the conspiracy to not accept that they all have the same findings.
https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx
I have to assume that you never took a course or did any readings in probability or statistics. One case being reported in a country of over 300 million just means that you should look to see if it is happening everywhere else. It is not. AS I noted above the same is true if some nurses report something somewhere if it is not just statistical noise it will show up in the big studies. We routinely pick up complications happening at a rate of 1 in 100.000 or less.
Stopped reading Kirsch long ago. So much of what he does relies upon VAERS and he doesnt understand how VAERS works. No medical background so maybe that helps explain that. If Kirsch is correct then every other academic center in every country in the world is wrong. That makes for a really big conspiracy.
Steve