Why Schumer Will Vote “No”

I’ve heard New York Sen. Chuck Schumer speak in person. In an op-ed that’s more astute than I honestly would have given him credit for, he explains why he’s decided to vote against the agreement with the Iranians when it comes up before Congress:

In making my decision, I examined this deal in three parts: nuclear restrictions on Iran in the first ten years, nuclear restrictions on Iran after ten years, and non-nuclear components and consequences of a deal. In each case I have asked: are we better off with the agreement or without it?

In the first ten years of the deal, there are serious weaknesses in the agreement. First, inspections are not “anywhere, anytime”; the 24-day delay before we can inspect is troubling. While inspectors would likely be able to detect radioactive isotopes at a site after 24 days, that delay would enable Iran to escape detection of any illicit building and improving of possible military dimensions (PMD) — the tools that go into building a bomb but don’t emit radioactivity.

Furthermore, even when we detect radioactivity at a site where Iran is illicitly advancing its bomb-making capability, the 24-day delay would hinder our ability to determine precisely what was being done at that site.

Even more troubling is the fact that the U.S. cannot demand inspections unilaterally. By requiring the majority of the 8-member Joint Commission, and assuming that China, Russia, and Iran will not cooperate, inspections would require the votes of all three European members of the P5+1 as well as the EU representative. It is reasonable to fear that, once the Europeans become entangled in lucrative economic relations with Iran, they may well be inclined not to rock the boat by voting to allow inspections.

Additionally, the “snapback” provisions in the agreement seem cumbersome and difficult to use. While the U.S. could unilaterally cause snapback of all sanctions, there will be instances where it would be more appropriate to snapback some but not all of the sanctions, because the violation is significant but not severe. A partial snapback of multilateral sanctions could be difficult to obtain, because the U.S. would require the cooperation of other nations. If the U.S. insists on snapback of all the provisions, which it can do unilaterally, and the Europeans, Russians, or Chinese feel that is too severe a punishment, they may not comply.

Those who argue for the agreement say it is better to have an imperfect deal than to have nothing; that without the agreement, there would be no inspections, no snapback. When you consider only this portion of the deal — nuclear restrictions for the first ten years — that line of thinking is plausible, but even for this part of the agreement, the weaknesses mentioned above make this argument less compelling.

Second, we must evaluate how this deal would restrict Iran’s nuclear development after ten years.

Supporters argue that after ten years, a future President would be in no weaker a position than we are today to prevent Iran from racing to the bomb. That argument discounts the current sanctions regime. After fifteen years of relief from sanctions, Iran would be stronger financially and better able to advance a robust nuclear program. Even more importantly, the agreement would allow Iran, after ten to fifteen years, to be a nuclear threshold state with the blessing of the world community. Iran would have a green light to be as close, if not closer to possessing a nuclear weapon than it is today. And the ability to thwart Iran if it is intent on becoming a nuclear power would have less moral and economic force.

If Iran’s true intent is to get a nuclear weapon, under this agreement, it must simply exercise patience. After ten years, it can be very close to achieving that goal, and, unlike its current unsanctioned pursuit of a nuclear weapon, Iran’s nuclear program will be codified in an agreement signed by the United States and other nations. To me, after ten years, if Iran is the same nation as it is today, we will be worse off with this agreement than without it.

In addition, we must consider the non-nuclear elements of the agreement. This aspect of the deal gives me the most pause. For years, Iran has used military force and terrorism to expand its influence in the Middle East, actively supporting military or terrorist actions in Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, and Gaza. That is why the U.S. has labeled Iran as one of only three nations in the world who are “state sponsors of terrorism.” Under this agreement, Iran would receive at least $50 billion dollars in the near future and would undoubtedly use some of that money to redouble its efforts to create even more trouble in the Middle East, and, perhaps, beyond.

To reduce the pain of sanctions, the Supreme Leader had to lean left and bend to the moderates in his country. It seems logical that to counterbalance, he will lean right and give the Iranian Revolutionary Guard (IRGC) and the hardliners resources so that they can pursue their number one goal: strengthening Iran’s armed forces and pursuing even more harmful military and terrorist actions.

Finally, the hardliners can use the freed-up funds to build an ICBM on their own as soon as sanctions are lifted (and then augment their ICBM capabilities in 8 years after the ban on importing ballistic weaponry is lifted), threatening the United States. Restrictions should have been put in place limiting how Iran could use its new resources.

In my opinion the astute parts are two. First, this:

Advocates on both sides have strong cases for their point of view that cannot simply be dismissed. This has made evaluating the agreement a difficult and deliberate endeavor, and after deep study, careful thought and considerable soul-searching, I have decided I must oppose the agreement and will vote yes on a motion of disapproval.

That is significantly more than President Obama or Sec. Kerry have been willing to do and my experience has been that for the most part advocates of the agreement have followed suit: being dismissive of reasonable counterarguments or opposing opinions, a very poor strategy for persuasion, especially since a majority of Americans disagree with them.

But this is the reasoning that impressed me:

Ultimately, in my view, whether one supports or opposes the resolution of disapproval depends on how one thinks Iran will behave under this agreement.

If one thinks Iran will moderate, that contact with the West and a decrease in economic and political isolation will soften Iran’s hardline positions, one should approve the agreement. After all, a moderate Iran is less likely to exploit holes in the inspection and sanctions regime, is less likely to seek to become a threshold nuclear power after ten years, and is more likely to use its newfound resources for domestic growth, not international adventurism.

But if one feels that Iranian leaders will not moderate and their unstated but very real goal is to get relief from the onerous sanctions, while still retaining their nuclear ambitions and their ability to increase belligerent activities in the Middle East and elsewhere, then one should conclude that it would be better not to approve this agreement.

first, because it acknowledges that assumptions are an important consideration in evaluating the agreement and second because it recognizes that we have serious problems with the Iranian regime itself, not just their nuclear development program, whatever its objectives.

If there is one thing we should have learned over the course of the last century it is that revolutionary generations do not moderate. It was true of the Soviets, it was true of the Chinese, it has been true of the Cubans, and I believe it is true of the Iranians. Time is likely to be our friend in negotiations with them.

It will be interesting to see the reactions to Sen. Schumer’s announcement and reasoning. I hope it will impel the president to engage with those with whom he disagrees rather than dismissing or deriding them. Sen. Schumer is not just some random Democrat—he’s a member of the Senate Democratic leadership and his views should be given due consideration by the president who is notionally the leader of that party. His announcement undoubtedly gives permission to some Senate Democrats who are struggling with their decisions to oppose the president’s hectoring on the matter.

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  • CStanley Link

    I agree completely with Schumer here and with your assessment of his reasoning. In your last paragraph though, I think your hope is completely unfounded. President Obama is either incapable or unwilling to engage with those with whom he disagrees.

  • steve Link

    Hmm. Let me go look up what state Schumer represents…..What do you know? New York. Wonder if he supported the Iraq War?…..What do you know? He did. So, I would have been shocked if he did anything other than oppose the Iran deal. Politics dictates that he had to reach the conclusion he reached.

    But to take his arguments. First on the 24 day issue, when we find evidence, which we would in any site that had actual activity going on, he is correct that we might not be able to determine the exact nature of that activity just by finding evidence. However, the onus would then be on Iran to explain that evidence, and inspectors on the ground would be looking.

    Next, w/o the deal, the hardliners can build an ICBM next year.

    Next, time is not our friend. Russia and China are lobbying for acceptance of this deal. If you had asked most people who follow foreign policy if it would have been possible to get Russia and China to support any US led initiative, I think the answer would have been no. They bail out of the sanctions if this deal does not go through. He tacitly acknowledges this when he notes that a snap back might not work. (Actually, my specific prediction is that they would probably wait for another 6 months or so, then leave sanctions.)

    Next, will Iran use its money to finance some terrorism? Maybe, but this is a nuclear deal not a terrorism deal. If Schumer wants to organize sanctions against Iran unless they agree to stop funding terror, he should go ahead. I bet Russia and China won’t join. I bet Germany doesn’t either for that matter. And last time I looked, he is a US Senator. If he wants to initiate sanctions against countries who have engaged in extensive terror (mostly funding, which is what Iran does) affecting the US, then Iran is not at the top of that list. Why doesn’t he want to go after the nations who have been funding IS which has actually killed US citizens? (Hint. Some of these countries are our “allies”.) Does Schumer oppose their belligerent activities in fighting IS?

    Last, will Iran want to have nukes 10 years from now? I suspect that they will want them just as much then as they do now. If they really wanted them, they would have already had them. They have had an ongoing nuclear program since the 70s. If it was a priority, they would have had one already. Which is to say, if a hostile neighbor starts developing nukes, they probably will also. (To be clear, I mean a second hostile neighbor, as Israel already has them.) Or, if the US invades another one or two non-nuclear countries under false pretense. Then it would be rational to go ahead and make nukes. Absent either of those two conditions, they aren’t likely to change and suddenly make one.

    All that said, he at least acknowledges that it will make nukes less likely for 10 years.

    Steve

  • ... Link

    LOL, I’m pretty sure I just heard a dog whistle!

    Losing interest in Schumer’s stuff, but I’ll continue with it in a minute. But I do have one question: Why does Europe get four votes? Alternately, why do Britain, France and Germany each get one and a third votes? Last I checked we could eat those three for a late morning snack, so why do they get such clout? That alone makes me think the deal is bad. Now we’re abasing ourselves before “allies” and enemies alike.

  • Andy Link

    “If one thinks Iran will moderate, that contact with the West and a decrease in economic and political isolation will soften Iran’s hardline positions, one should approve the agreement.”

    Senator Schumer’s opposition really boils down the the fact that this agreement will not change the nature of the Iranian regime. It’s a strange argument because this agreement isn’t designed to change the nature of the regime – it’s an arms control agreement that’s not designed to soften “Iran’s hardline positions.”

    So, if Iran cannot be moderated through agreements or sanctions (Dave provides Cuba as a useful example), then what is the point of continuing the status quo? Hope that sanctions will do…what exactly? Meanwhile, while we kick the can, Iran would continue with it’s program, thereby moving the goalposts for any future nuclear agreement. Dave suggests that “Time is likely to be our friend” but I see little evidence of that, particularly if Davis is correct in his assertion that Iran is unlikely to moderate overtime. Given that, what, exactly, is the advantage in waiting?

    In essence, Sen. Schumer is willing to accept a relatively unrestrained Iranian nuclear program in order to try to contain the Iranian regime more generally via continued sanctions. I think that’s a valid policy even though, historically, it doesn’t usually work. My belief is that limiting the spread of nuclear weapons is more important than whatever extra trouble a sanctions-free Iran might cause for us or our allies in the region.

    I also think Schumer misunderstands this agreement. After ten years there isn’t a return to the status quo ante. For one thing, Iran will have ratified the additional protocol, which is an enduring treaty commitment.

  • particularly if Davis is correct in his assertion that Iran is unlikely to moderate overtime.

    Let’s be very clear about what I’m suggesting. I’m suggesing that the timeframe over which Iran will moderate will be generational time. That means at least another 15-20 years, just as was the case with the Soviet Union, China, etc.

  • Andy Link

    Dave,

    I agree it will be on a generational timeline. What timeline can we expect for the status quo sanctions regime?

  • steve Link

    Dave

    And how long would you expect Russia and China to stay with the sanctions once a plausible deal was rejected by the US, and only the US? Why are we the only ones rejecting this?

    Ice- Yup, we can eat their lunch any day, but this is not a military deal, it is one about nukes that involves sanctions. How strong are our sanctions if Germany, France and the UK do not participate? Please remember that by the time sanctions were enforced, China was Iran’s number one trade partner (from memory, could be wrong), but the Germans were the ones building a lot of their nuclear tech. IIRC, a lot of those frozen assets are in European hands.

    Steve

    The better question is why did China and Russia join sanctions?

  • And how long would you expect Russia and China to stay with the sanctions once a plausible deal was rejected by the US, and only the US?

    Yet another example of burden-shifting. You are the one claiming or at least implying that Russia and China will abandon sanctions immediately regardless. You should produce evidence for your position.

    They haven’t abandoned sanctions yet. That is sufficient evidence that they won’t. In addition I think it’s pretty obvious that Russia and China see a preservation of the international order as it’s developed in the post-war period as being in their interests. We’re the ones going around violating UN Security Council resolutions, not the Russians and the Chinese.

    Why are we the only ones rejecting this?

    Beats me. Is it important? Of all of the countries at the table only the U. S. and France have taken their responsibilities as security producers rather than security consumers seriously. France has been pretty suspicious of the deal, too. It might not be a coincidence.

    I also haven’t noticed any mass demonstrations in Iran with banners saying “Death to Russia” or “Death to China”. Maybe we have more to worry about than they do. Maybe our regional clients are more worried about the agreement than theirs are. There are more stakeholders than just the P5+1, you know. We’re just the ones with seats at the table.

  • PD Shaw Link

    “Iran will moderate will be generational time. That means at least another 15-20 years.”

    I think that’s as hopeful as a lesser time-frame. I think it is just as likely that Iran becomes less moderate as more. The Iranians with influence being held up as moderates are not moderates on issues that concern the U.S.; they simply want a more open economy, with all of the oppression and foreign interventionism from the outright xenophobes. Might as well let Iran join the WTO w/ China.

  • steve Link

    “Is it important? ”

    It is telling. You have China and Russia actively lobbying Congress to support the bill. You have the Russian ambassador suggesting sanctions fall if the deal is not passed. As a nuclear deal, it si pretty clear that the rest of the world sees this as a good deal, in an affirmative sense. I am pretty sure Russia and China don’t care what Obama wants, meaning your sorry claims of fealty won’t work there. Domestic politics is driving US opposition. As I said, if Schumer wants to organize sanctions against Iran as a means to stop their involvement in terror activity, go to it. That is an entirely separate issue.

    Steve

  • steve Link

    Almost forgot. (This old age thing sucks). The UN Security Council has already unanimously approved lifting sanctions. France and Germany have already sent trade delegations, as has Japan. The EU approved it. Italy, Spain, Switzerland and even Serbia (there’s a powerful trading partner) have already been to Tehran. Two weeks ago it was reported that Sadi Arabia now approves. So, just who is it that does not? What other group not sitting at the table are we supporting?

    Steve

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