The Voting Dead

CBS Los Angeles has compared voting records with death records and found hundreds of people who have ostensibly continued to vote for well after a decade following their demise:

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — A comparison of records by David Goldstein, investigative reporter for CBS2/KCAL9, has revealed hundreds of so-called dead voters in Southern California, a vast majority of them in Los Angeles County.

“He took a lot of time choosing his candidates,” said Annette Givans of her father, John Cenkner.

Cenkner died in Palmdale in 2003. Despite this, records show that he somehow voted from the grave in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008 and 2010.

But he’s not the only one.

CBS2 compared millions of voting records from the California Secretary of State’s office with death records from the Social Security Administration and found hundreds of so-called dead voters.

So far there’s no polling data on which candidates are preferred by the dead.

A few hundred out of hundreds of thousands of registered voters doesn’t sound like many but a) that’s just in LA County and b) quite a few elections are determined by very small numbers of votes.

6 comments… add one
  • walt moffett Link

    Wonder how many of those voters also have up to date credit histories, utility bills, etc. Identity theft is a possibility. However matching voter rolls and the SSA master death record is frowned upon.

  • steve Link

    There was a nice piece on this a couple of years ago. Most of these were cases where ballots sent to the homes of older people who were unable to get out to vote. When the voter died, ballots kept getting sent to the house. The surviving spouse continued to vote for the deceased. Once again, a problem that won’t be fixed by voter ID.

    Steve

  • Something depends on whether those are absentee votes or votes at the polling place. It’s a problem regardless but I guess we need to know more before we can determine how big a problem it is.

  • PD Shaw Link

    The reality doesn’t matter. The issue is legitimacy, and if politicians cannot demonstrate that they are taking care to make sure the election is fraud-free, then the government is delegitimized to at least some degree.

  • Steve Link

    Dave- Will dig for article, but by my (admittedly not perfect memory) there were close to zero cases of this at the polls, it was a ballot problem. I agree that government should to fix this, especially since it is well documented and there is quite a bit of it. However, it comes down to old fashioned politics again. Voting by ballot favors one party so they aren’t willing to have that reform.

    Steve

  • jan Link

    Here is a 2011 Powerline piece that, IMO, gives a less partisan response to the back and forth beliefs of voter fraud beliefs:

    Conservatives are generally concerned about voter fraud, while liberals, almost universally, are not. That in itself tells you something. Of course, liberals don’t explicitly come out in favor of voter fraud; rather, they argue that lax enforcement of election laws is no problem because voter fraud hardly exists.

    The problem with this easy assurance is that we have no clear way to know how prevalent voter fraud is. By definition, those who perpetrate it seek to go undetected, and it is a circular argument to say that there is no need for better law enforcement because our current lax enforcement hasn’t caught many violators.

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