The Downside

While I agree with Nick Tiller’s skepticism about the new weight loss drugs coming along in his piece at Skeptical Inquirer:

Semaglutide is a breakthrough in the noninvasive treatment of obesity. First made available in 2017 under the brand name Ozempic for treating type II diabetes, it was re-approved by the FDA in 2021, with a distinct dosing regimen, under the brand name Wegovy as a therapeutic aid for obesity. Both drugs mimic glucagon-like peptide-1 (GLP-1)—a hormone secreted during digestion to suppress appetite. More specifically, by acting through the central and peripheral nervous system, semaglutide slows the rate at which food empties from the stomach, increases insulin release from the pancreas (for better blood glucose control), and alters the perception of taste (thereby causing “taste aversion”). The drug can effectively restore the GLP-1 signaling pathway, which is thought to be dysfunctional in certain obese patients. As with all medications, Ozempic and Wegovy come with side effects. Nausea, abdominal pain, constipation, diarrhea, and vomiting are all common. But for clinically obese patients or diabetics, who have a considerably greater risk of cardiometabolic disease, the risk-to-benefit ratio is generally thought to be favorable.

But not for everyone. Experts broadly categorize obesity into one-of-four subtypes: people who need to eat more food than normal to become full (referred to as “hungry brain”); people who become full with a regular meal but with short-lived effects (“hungry gut”); people who eat to cope with difficult emotions (“emotional hunger”); and people with a relatively slow metabolism (“slow burn”). Semaglutide, as a GLP-1 analog, is an effective intervention for those with “hungry gut,” but it may not be appropriate for people with obesity classified as “slow burn” or “emotional hunger.” Chronic depression and anxiety are two of the most common psychopathologies that trigger binge eating, and many people eat to transiently improve their mood. These behaviors won’t simply subside along with one’s appetite. In such cases, semaglutide may bury the symptoms, leaving the causes to root.

For all its clinical efficacy, semaglutide doesn’t show people how to change their relationship with food or eat in a healthy, sustainable way. Studies show that people who stopped the therapy after twenty weeks regained most of the weight they’d initially lost because the appetite suppressant reduces diet quantity without improving quality. What’s more, “yo-yo dieting”—large and periodic fluctuations in body weight—poses a considerable risk of cardiovascular disease and life dissatisfaction. For optimal outcomes, semaglutide must be taken alongside the dietary and lifestyle changes that obese patients have historically been unable to do implement. Where they have previously failed, semaglutide may provide the conditions to succeed.

I still don’t think he gets to the biggest problem. Maybe my understanding is flawed but as I understand it these drugs function by reducing the appetite. They don’t make you eat the things you need to eat to sustain life and health. Unless there’s a lot more to your regimen that taking these drugs, won’t you gravitate to eating what you like rather than what you need?

I won’t be at all surprised if we start seeing a rash of cases of scurvy, pellagra, rickets, osteoporosis, etc. in rich countries.

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  • PD Shaw Link

    My understanding is that the drugs were inspired by observing how bariatric surgery reduces appetite. So it would appear that there are already a class of people who can be studies for rickets, etc. Or maybe a vitamin regiment is prescribed. In any event, one obvious issue might be that bariatric surgery is better cost-wise, over a lifetime of pills.

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    The counter-argument is Ozempic has not made anyone die of starvation. It doesn’t suppress all appetite, its bringing on satiety sooner, which is a subtle but critical difference. And if one cannot get proper nutrition on a diet that results in a “healthier” weight, I doubt overeating is going to get you to proper nutrition either.

    By the way, there is anecdotal evidence these drugs can have unexpected but positive effects on other destructive addictions — like alcohol or nicotine.

    I suspect we are about to find out a whole bunch of things about how the minds “executive” function works and how it relates with “rewards”.

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    “bariatric surgery is better cost-wise, over a lifetime of pills”

    I believe these drugs are all injected, not pills (through research on oral administration must be furious right now). On bariatric surgery being better cost wise — surgery is still surgery even if it is a “micro-surgery”. A lot of people will be reluctant to do surgery on a core function of the body; drugs will get a lot higher acceptance.

  • Andy Link

    Plus surgery is only available for those who are very obese- the drug is more widely available for people who are merely overweight.

  • Drew Link

    “I won’t be at all surprised if we start seeing a rash of cases of scurvy, pellagra, rickets, osteoporosis, etc. in rich countries.”

    I think that’s overwrought. I’m with curious. Poor diets with smaller amounts of food are a weak solution and scant improvement over poor diets with large food volume. Further, I wonder if large amounts of fiber wouldn’t accomplish the same thing wrt gut hunger.

    The state of the art seems to be a Mediterranean-like diet combined with a form of intermittent fasting. And rather than zero carbs, get your carbs with beans and cruciferous vegetables.

  • steve Link

    After bariatric surgery there are absorption issues depending upon the kind of surgery you have that is probably not associated with the volume of food you eat per se. (See link) It mostly B vitamins and/or the fat solubles. Haven’t heard of scurvy as an issue. May be some reports of deficiencies with the drugs but I haven’t seen them except in some rare cases the appetite suppression is so severe they start to starve. There are rare cases with bariatric surgery where they have trouble absorbing enough general nutrition also.

    I think Drew’s idea of a diet is reasonable. I think if you just eat a varied diet with moderation in all things and minimize eating processed foods you will do OK.

    Steve

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  • PD Shaw Link

    Thanks, Steve. The link indicates vitamin supplements are generally recommended:

    “Surgeons also emphasize the need for multi-nutrient supplementation, which should begin prior to surgery, and continue for life. But the problem is that many patients don’t follow up with their surgeons as advised. Thus, nutritional vigilance by all health care professionals is increasingly important.”

    The catch-22 is that patients that don’t follow a multi-nutrient supplementation are probably even less likely to “move more and eat less” to the degree needed to stop being obese.

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