The Deficit Spending Question

There’s a lengthy post on the effectiveness of fiscal stimulus by deficit spending over at Clusterstock:

We’re left with a couple questions. (1) Is it true that government stimulus is a waste of time and money? That cutting the deficits in Europe will likely result primarily in fewer imports, that raising the deficits in the US will result in more jobs in China and more structural unemployment in the US? That Paul Krugman and Ben Bernanke are wrong, wrong, wrong, and all Krugman’s proposed stimulus spending will wind up getting soaked up either by Bernanke’s Quantitative Easing which turns it into stagflation, or by Chinese buying American Bonds and American Jobs?

The second question is, (2) If neither Keynesian spending programs nor Monetarist interest rate manipulations and quantitative easing will generate jobs, then what will pull us out of this world-wide recession, what will keep us from slipping into a full blown world-wide depression? Unfortunately, history does give us some guidance here.

During the Great Depression, every kind of economic policy you can imagine was tried. Just as Europe is cutting their deficits today, the US cut their deficits in the early 1930s. It didn’t have much effect. Just as the US is deficit spending today, the US under Roosevelt deficit spent in the later 1930s, and that had little affect. What finally ended the Great Depression was World War II.

In WW II, Roosevelt gathered up 1,000,000 unemployed men and shipped them off to Europe. Then he gathered up another 1,000,000 people and put them to work building tanks, ships, planes, ammunition. Finally, he put major rationing programs into place, making certain that the money he spent didn’t go into consumption, rather it went into savings and then immediately into business investment.

To be honest I’m skeptical of the “World War II ended the Depression” notion for a couple of reasons. First, it suggests that a command economy would be able to solve our economics problems since, after all, that’s what we had during the war. Second, it’s a post hoc propter hoc argument. Finally, it smacks of the parable of the broken window. How much more economic growth might we have seen had the world not gone to war? We’ll never know.

That command economy did lay the groundwork for the massive distortion of the market we’ve been living with ever since. That is what Ike’s “military-industrial complex” speech warned us of. That distortion is only now being overshadowed by an even larger market distortion, something we might call the medical-industrial complex.

I doubt we will ever be able to be confident about an explanation of what ended the Great Depression. The answer, unsatisfying as it might be, is in all likelihood the business cycle. Perhaps it would be better to ask what prolonged the Great Depression? In all likelihood it was the very same things that are now prolonging the Great Recession. There is only so much deadweight loss that an economy can endure before growth becomes very, very difficult.

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  • Perhaps it would be better to ask what prolonged the Great Depression?

    My understanding is that it was primarily (a) continued deflation and (b) a focus on austerity spending and deficit slashing in the 1937 budget and beyond. And right now, the general political consensus appears to be moving in a direction that will (a) prolong deflation and (b) focus on austerity spending and deficit slashing.

    I’m not hopeful.

  • Drew Link

    Just go read A Monetary History, in particular the section on the contraction of the money supply.

    Alex, in contrast to the Great Depression, the monetary spigot is wide open.

  • During the Great Depression, every kind of economic policy you can imagine was tried.

    Interesting factoid for the ignorant: when a country went off the gold standard the economy started growing again.

  • Drew,

    Alex, in contrast to the Great Depression, the monetary spigot is wide open.

    I know. And yet we’re still undergoing deflation and there are plenty of pundits out there calling to tighten the money supply, which is just lunacy to me.

    The deflationary trend that we’re on is particularly terrifying because I don’t think the Fed can actually do much about it.

  • steve Link

    I had thought that the economy had started to bounce back again after the 1937 contraction due to orders for weapons and supplies from the European countries. Not true?

    “The deflationary trend that we’re on is particularly terrifying because I don’t think the Fed can actually do much about it.”

    Try Sumner’s approach with a set GNP and inflation goal?

    Steve

  • Drew Link

    Alex –

    Its late; I’m tired, just got off a call at about 9PM. I’ll be back later. But your concerns relate to velocity. I don’t know who is calling for monetary base tightening – haven’t heard anything like that, but I have some views on velocity.

    I hope Steve V is reading, because he’s probably the only one of us sufficiently trained and experienced to really get to the heart of the matter.

  • Deflation? Really?

    Please, show me were…

    http://www.bls.gov

  • The only place I can see a case of inflation is when looking at the seasonally adjusted CPI. However, removing food and energy and that case becomes weaker. Remove shelter as well, and it gets even weaker. So, what is likely going on is that energy and shelter are seeing price declines to such an extent that it is pulling the over all CPI downwards.

    Are we in a period of general over all deflation? I think that the case is not so easy to make. Overall I think there is little to fear in terms of inflation for the short term (next year or 2). The still high unemployment numbers puts additional downward pressure on energy prices, and that increases in the price level are going to be extremely mild.

    We may have had a brief period of deflation and there might still be cause for concern, but I don’t see that there is still deflation going on save in the housing and energy sectors. The latter is probably due to the fact that government keeps trying to prop up prices when the market wants a downward correction.

    Should we constrict the money supply right now? No. Should we be very mindful that we could get some serious, serious inflation in the not too distant future? Absolutely.

  • http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2010/06/inflation_or_de.html

    James Hamilton, thinks that right now the pressure is deflationary. I think he forgot to remove food, energy and shelter, but still the difference between his view and mine I’d argue is one of degrees. But he also notes the following,

    The way that I would envision these pressures translating into inflation would be a flight from the dollar by international lenders, leading to depreciation of the exchange rate, increase in the dollar price of traded goods, and possible sharp challenges for rolling over U.S. Treasury debt. We’ve of course been seeing the exact opposite of this over the last few months, as worries in Europe and elsewhere have resulted in a flight to the dollar and the perceived safety of U.S. Treasuries. That appreciation of the dollar has been one factor keeping U.S. inflation down. So any inflation scare is clearly not an incipient development, but instead something we’d possibly face farther down the road.

    Not sure how far down the road he is looking, would be nice if he gave some indication. My guess is at least a year maybe more.

    Some reversal of that recent trend and resumption of dollar depreciation would in fact be quite welcome at the moment. But a loss of world confidence in the ability of Washington to honor its debts would not. I continue to believe that it is quite important for the U.S. to communicate its seriousness about bringing the long-run fiscal challenges under control. I should emphasize that, in saying this, I am definitely not among those calling for current budget cuts– that would only aggravate our immediate employment challenges. But I do think now would be an excellent time for fiscal reforms that make the long-run math look substantially more responsible. Examples include raising the eligibiity age for Social Security and Medicare, increasing the Medicare copay, budget reform to bring earmarks under control, a plan to ease the government out of responsibiity for implicitly or explicitly guaranteeing U.S. mortgage debt, and reforms at the state and local government level to bring their long-run pension liabilities under control.

    I think the above is a reasonable and responsible postion…of course politically it is dead as doornail.

    Remember, government sucks ass when it comes to formulating policy.

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