Stirring the Pot

The editors of the New York Times are wary about the situation WRT Iran following the Trump Administration’s assassination of the commander of the Quds Force:

Given the enormous risks to which President Trump and his hawkish secretaries of state and defense, Mr. Pompeo and Mr. Esper, have exposed the nation, they must promptly and convincingly explain their reasons for ordering so fateful an action. The explanation had better be good: Mr. Trump’s record of lies, lies and more lies; his impeachment on charges of misusing the power of his office; and his record of improvising foreign policy according to his immediate political calculations have undermined his credibility, at home and abroad. Congress and the American public need the facts.

Another fair question: Why didn’t the White House alert senior Democrats in Congress, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, as is customary before a major military action?

I think I can answer that second question. This is a president for whom personal relationships are extremely important. If anything Democratic Congressional have gone out of their way to alienate President Trump. Besides he’s not obligated to notify them of anything.

The editors of the Washington Post explain the situation pretty well:

MAJ. GEN. Qasem Soleimani was an implacable enemy of the United States who was responsible for hundreds of American deaths, as well as countless atrocities in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and elsewhere. His death in a drone strike was being cheered Friday by U.S. allies and progressive forces across the region, from Israelis and Saudis to the pro-reform demonstrators of Beirut and Baghdad. That, however, doesn’t mean that President Trump’s decision to assassinate him was wise, or that it will ultimately benefit U.S. interests.

The consequences of the strike are unpredictable, but there is no denying the risk that the United States will be pulled more deeply into the Middle East and its conflicts. Having made clear that he wants to pull the nation out of those conflicts, and having said as recently as Tuesday that he wanted peace with Iran, Mr. Trump has committed an act of escalation and now is deploying more than 4,000 additional troops to Kuwait as a hedge against Iranian counterstrikes.

It’s certainly possible that the killing will have the effect of deterring further Iranian attacks on Americans, such as the rocket strike that killed a U.S. contractor at an Iraqi base last week, or the assault by Iranian-backed militias on the embassy in Baghdad on Tuesday. The loss of Soleimani might disorient and demoralize the militia forces he steered. The Trump administration is clearly hoping Tehran will absorb the blow and retreat, which is why Secretary of State Mike Pompeo kept talking Friday about “de-escalation.”

But Iran might choose to strike back, if not immediately then in coming days and weeks. Targets within Iranian reach include U.S. embassies and citizens across the Middle East; shipping in the Persian Gulf; Saudi oil fields; and Israeli cities, against which Soleimani aimed thousands of missiles. Have Mr. Trump and his aides thought through the possible Iranian responses and fully prepared for them? Does the administration have a clear goal? While Mr. Trump was still tweeting about negotiation, some of his aides appeared bent on regime change in Tehran.

While New York Times columnist Tom Friedman is rather obviously of mixed mind about the assassination:

The whole “protest” against the United States Embassy compound in Baghdad last week was almost certainly a Suleimani-staged operation to make it look as if Iraqis wanted America out when in fact it was the other way around. The protesters were paid pro-Iranian militiamen. No one in Baghdad was fooled by this.

In a way, it’s what got Suleimani killed. He so wanted to cover his failures in Iraq he decided to start provoking the Americans there by shelling their forces, hoping they would overreact, kill Iraqis and turn them against the United States. Trump, rather than taking the bait, killed Suleimani instead.

I have no idea whether this was wise or what will be the long-term implications. But here are two things I do know about the Middle East.

First, often in the Middle East the opposite of “bad” is not “good.” The opposite of bad often turns out to be “disorder.” Just because you take out a really bad actor like Suleimani doesn’t mean a good actor, or a good change in policy, comes in his wake. Suleimani is part of a system called the Islamic Revolution in Iran. That revolution has managed to use oil money and violence to stay in power since 1979 — and that is Iran’s tragedy, a tragedy that the death of one Iranian general will not change.

Today’s Iran is the heir to a great civilization and the home of an enormously talented people and significant culture. Wherever Iranians go in the world today, they thrive as scientists, doctors, artists, writers and filmmakers — except in the Islamic Republic of Iran, whose most famous exports are suicide bombing, cyberterrorism and proxy militia leaders. The very fact that Suleimani was probably the most famous Iranian in the region speaks to the utter emptiness of this regime, and how it has wasted the lives of two generations of Iranians by looking for dignity in all the wrong places and in all the wrong ways.

The other thing I know is that in the Middle East all important politics happens the morning after the morning after.

Yes, in the coming days there will be noisy protests in Iran, the burning of American flags and much crying for the “martyr.” The morning after the morning after? There will be a thousand quiet conversations inside Iran that won’t get reported. They will be about the travesty that is their own government and how it has squandered so much of Iran’s wealth and talent on an imperial project that has made Iran hated in the Middle East.

And yes, the morning after, America’s Sunni Arab allies will quietly celebrate Suleimani’s death, but we must never forget that it is the dysfunction of many of the Sunni Arab regimes — their lack of freedom, modern education and women’s empowerment — that made them so weak that Iran was able to take them over from the inside with its proxies.

I honestly don’t know what to make of it all. It is obvious that the United States has been engaged in a low-level conflict with Iran since 1979, with most of the shooting being done by the Iranians. The Iranian mullahs actually declared war against us then. In the regime’s creation myth the U. S. plays the role of villain.

We also know that we can’t depend on our own news media as disinterested reporters of the truth.

I have also acknowledged that I don’t really understand how President Trump’s mind works How much attention does he pay to his advisors? How much does he rely on what the Israelis are telling him or what his closest advisors are reporting to him about what the Israelis are telling them? Does he go by his gut? Does he act on impulse?

I think it’s clear that he’s stirring the pot. What comes out is anyone’s guess.

Update

The editors of the Wall Street Journal apparently approve of the assassination:

The U.S. President had shown great restraint—more than we thought he should—in not retaliating after Iran or its proxies shot down an American drone, attacked Saudi oil facilities, and attacked bases in Iraq with U.S. troops 10 times in the last two months.

Mr. Trump finally drew a line at the death of an American contractor and the storming of the Embassy. Perhaps he heard echoes of Barack Obama’s failure in Benghazi. Whatever Mr. Trump’s calculation, Mr. Khamenei now has to consider that even targets inside Iran are not safe.

The death of Soleimani should also reassure U.S. allies spooked by Barack Obama’s many capitulations and Mr. Trump’s partial withdrawal from Syria last year. This assumes Mr. Trump will be resolute if Iran escalates and doesn’t withdraw remaining U.S. forces from Iraq or Syria.

Iraq’s caretaker Prime Minister, Adel Abdul-Mahdi, condemned the Soleimani strike, but he hasn’t spoken for his countrymen since promising to resign in November amid popular unrest. Iranian-backed forces helped slaughter hundreds of Iraqi protesters, and many Iraqis took to the streets to celebrate Soleimani’s death. The Iraqi Parliament still may vote to push U.S. troops out of the country, but it would be a mistake. The U.S. goal in Iraq is to help ensure Iraqi independence from a revival of Islamic State and Iranian meddling.

The least credible criticism is coming from American Democrats, especially those who worked for the Obama Administration. Their policy was to appease Tehran with a nuclear deal that would supposedly induce its leaders to join the civilized world. Instead the deal’s cash windfall empowered Soleimani to export revolution.

Now they’re fretting that responding to Soleimani’s mayhem is too risky. Joe Biden said Thursday Soleimani “supported terror and sowed chaos,” but that doesn’t negate “the fact that this is a hugely escalatory move in an already dangerous region.” In other words, Soleimani was a deadly menace, but the U.S. should have done nothing about his depredations because Iran could hit back. That is appeasement, not leadership.

17 comments… add one
  • Guarneri Link

    Times Commentary: not worth wasting keystrokes.

    Post Commentary: shorter: Gee, the world is complicated and full of risks. Can’t we just curl up on the couch with some hot cocoa and hope?

    Friedman was closer and more balanced than either.

    Democrat politician’s commentary these days is best utilized as toilet paper.

    As for Trump and his advisors. Isn’t it amazing how situational the commentary is? He doesn’t listen; he listens to those damned hawks; he fires Bolton; he’s impotent, no he’s too aggressive, could be crazy……….

    How about this? Perhaps he knows that when despicable people are allowed to act with impunity for decades they aren’t likely to stop in the face of bribes or hand wringing, and he’s got obligations to the US and its citizens.

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    The Iranians definitely do not have a read on President Trump, otherwise they would not have sent Soleimani to Iraq with almost no protection.

    But then does anyone, the Chinese, the Europeans, the Mexicans, Democrats, or Congressional Republicans?

    It reminds me of a famous incident with Canadian PM Pierre Trudeau. Known as a civil libertarian (he embedded the Canadian equivalent to the Bill of Rights to the Canadian constitution), during the October crisis in 1970, when Quebec separatists went violent, Trudeau said “Just Watch Me” when asked by a reporter how far he would go to stop the violence. Trudeau imposed partial martial law a couple of days later.

  • steve Link

    They also killed an Iraqi general. They did it on sovereign Iraqi territory. AFAICT they didnt inform the Iraq government. This certainly has the possibility of worsening relations with Iraq, leaving it much more set in the Iran sphere. Maybe gets us kicked out. What did we get out of this other than revenge on one Iran leader, who just gets replaced? Maybe simple revenge is enough to justify the action and make the collateral damage worthwhile, but then just say so and justify it against the negatives.

    Trump? How about this? Absolutely everything he does is about pleasing his domestic base. This is all about making them happy and increasing his re-election chances.

    Looks like the Wall Street Journal still wants to engage in nation building. We need to stay in Iraq forever so we can turn it into Sweden, with right wing politics. Perhaps the least credible sentiment here is that we can just teach them a lesson, kill that one leader, and then they won’t strike back. You would think that after being stuck over there for going on 19 years it just doesn’t work that way.

    Steve

  • Perhaps the least credible sentiment here is that we can just teach them a lesson, kill that one leader, and then they won’t strike back.

    I didn’t work it into the body of the post but something I think that nearly everybody is missing is that the Iranians aren’t Arabs. They are Indo-Europeans.

  • Guarneri Link
  • steve Link

    I forgot to ask. How has Iran done most of the shooting? Almost all of their terror activity’s confined to Israel and KSA. We killed tons more Shia in Iraq then they killed Americans. What were you thinking?

    Steve

  • Greyshambler Link

    Well I’m thinking of the 240 marines killed by truck bomb in Lebanon in the early 80’s.

  • We killed tons more Shia in Iraq then they killed Americans

    Please document that. To the best of my recollection most of the Iraqis we killed were Sunnis but more Iraqis were killed by other Iraqis is orders of magnitude more than the number we killed.

    There are any number of lists of Iranian-sponsored attacks on Americans. Just google “list terrorist attacks by iranians”.

  • steve Link

    If you know that Iran was involved in the Lebanon attack, then you probably know it was in response to our supporting Iraq in the Iraq-Iran war. In response to the especially nasty killings of Shia in Sabra and Shatila, the refugee camps. If you want to count the Iran proxies then you need to count our proxies. To be clear I am not saying that Iran hasn’t been shooting at us, just that we have done our share and I suspect that in total killings we are ahead.

    Steve

  • steve Link

    I have Googled that many times. There really arent many attacks on Americans.

    Link goes to AIPAC list of Iran attacks on Americans. There are really just two attacks, unless you want to also count our being hit by one of their mines, then you have 3. Attacks that targeted Americans are far more numerous from Sunnis and especially from Saudi Arabia.

    https://www.aipac.org/-/media/publications/policy-and-politics/aipac-analyses/one-pagers/a-history-of-iranian-attacks-on-americans.pdf

    In the Iran-Iraq war we supported Iraq with intelligence, arms sales, chemical sales and loans. I believe Iran had about 150,000 killed in that war. Will look for data on killed in Iraq war by sect, but not sure it exists.

    Where should we count Vincennes shooting down civilian airliner killing over 250 IIRC?

    Steve

  • Greyshambler Link

    I guess if you’re point is moral equivalence between the US and the Iranian Quds you’re disagreeing with most Iranians.
    Death to America is a slogan hungry Iranians wish would go away.

  • steve Link

    Not making a moral equivalence argument, just pointing out that when it comes to killings I have no idea how you make the claim that they have been killing a lot more of us.

    In the Iran-Iraq war we knew that both sides were awful. Even Kissinger said it would be best if they both lost, but we materially aided Iraq anyway against Iran, then we act all surprised when they get revenge in Lebanon. We shoot down a civilian airliner and no one in the US remembers. We invade Iraq for no clear reason and kill thousands of civilians, including Shia, and many more die in the sectarian violence that follows.

    We persist in aggressive intervention in the Middle East that has precious little to do with our self defense, then get all surprised when there are consequences. So Suleiman getting killed doesn’t break my heart. If he was off fishing by himself somewhere and we had a shot at him great, but how do we benefit from killing him when we also kill an Iraqi general and do it on Iraqi soil where he have some of our troops stationed? All I am hearing is we got revenge and dont care about the consequences. Explain why this time there won’t be any consequences when there have always been ones in the past, or why this one was worth it.

    Steve

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    Isn’t Iran’s strategy to use proxy forces to do the dirty work to maintain deniability.

    But the attack on American base and embassy in the past week had almost zero deniability, everyone understood they occurred at the direction of the Iranian government.

    Let’s see how it plays out – I am skeptical the US can establish deterrence against Iran unless it is willing to use the ultimate disproportional response (and there is no will for it).

    On the other hand, I puzzle at the Iranian strategy of turning up the heat. The hotter it gets, the more likely it will be the Iranian regime that gets cooked. The upside for the Iranians with this strategy amounts to Trump not being re-elected, but it won’t lift the sanctions — and the sanctions are what’s driving popular discontent with the regime.

  • Andy Link

    “If you know that Iran was involved in the Lebanon attack, then you probably know it was in response to our supporting Iraq in the Iraq-Iran war.”

    As I recall there was an Iran-Contra scandal in the Reagan administration, not an Iraq-Contra. The historical record is pretty clear that the US didn’t want either side to win.

    “To be clear I am not saying that Iran hasn’t been shooting at us, just that we have done our share and I suspect that in total killings we are ahead.”

    I’m not sure how that’s relevant to anything. War isn’t about head-counting.

    ” In response to the especially nasty killings of Shia in Sabra and Shatila, the refugee camps. If you want to count the Iran proxies then you need to count our proxies.”

    Now you are really reaching. The Phalanges were Israeli allies not US proxies. We had nothing to do with it.

  • Andy Link

    “Not making a moral equivalence argument, just pointing out that when it comes to killings I have no idea how you make the claim that they have been killing a lot more of us.”

    Except you’re including any Shiite under your rubric and not just Iranians.

    “All I am hearing is we got revenge and dont care about the consequences.”

    Maybe you should listen more then.

  • jan Link

    Soleimani was a terrorist, probably a psychopath, considering how many people he killed, how many lives he displaced, disrupted. He had a big ego, probably thought he was infallible, as he openly traveled from one country to another, coordinating all the proxy conflicts on behalf of Iran. He was behind the Baghdad embassy invasion, which was also a breech of another country’s sovereignty.

    Taking Soleimani out before another episode of terrorism could be consummated was a commendable act. All the hand-wringing, fingerprinting seems way overdone, and completely missing how evil the object of the drone attack really was, as well as how much damage may have been avoided by his death. As for what kind of backlash may be experienced by eliminating such an important Iranian figure – I believe the ruckus, recriminations of the Dems will do more to create discord than the malevolent acts of a known foreign enemy.

    It’s pathetic how the Dems are exploiting such a concerning event!

  • steve Link

    “As I recall there was an Iran-Contra scandal in the Reagan administration, not an Iraq-Contra. The historical record is pretty clear that the US didn’t want either side to win.”

    But we sold arms and provided intelligence to Iraq. We bought arms from Iran so we could give them to Nicaragua, we weren’t trying to aid Iran. We clearly aided Iraq, not Iran.

    “I’m not sure how that’s relevant to anything. War isn’t about head-counting.”

    It was Dave who said ” the United States has been engaged in a low-level conflict with Iran since 1979, with most of the shooting being done by the Iranians.” By any reasonable counting we have done at least our share of shooting.

    ” The Phalanges were Israeli allies not US proxies. ”

    And Israel is our proxy/ally. A lot of time it felt like we are their client state. We went to Lebanon in aid of our ally Israel.

    “Except you’re including any Shiite under your rubric and not just Iranians.”

    And Iran is the defender of Shia in the ME.

    “Maybe you should listen more then.”

    I keep asking and dont get any answers. Read Drew’s linked article from Peters. He says he doesn’t care and thinks the consequences will be minimal. I read some claims about some future plans he is involved in, but these are coming from the same people who claim we cant trust our intelligence apparatus so this sounds like convenient belief.

    Steve

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