Rejecting Austerity Means the Germans Must Blink

Tongues are wagging today about a Greek withdrawal from the euro sooner rather than later. The Wall Street Journal:

NEW YORK—U.S. blue-chips were on pace for their eighth loss in nine sessions, as worry mounted about Greece’s possible exit from the euro zone.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 92 points, or 0.7%, to 12728 in midday trading. The Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index declined 10 points, or 0.7%, to 1343 and the Nasdaq Composite shed 17 points, or 0.6%, to 2916.

Art Cashin:

Many floor types think that there is a kind of “rationality put” in the markets. It evolved in the post-Lehman chaos. The premise goes something like this: world leaders were shocked and stunned by the scope and size of the nearly instant damage from Lehman’s fall. That shock caused them to rescue AIG, a far, far bigger project than Lehman.

Since then, central banks and governments have stepped in quickly as each new crisis emerged. (Think things like QE; LTRO; the first Greek bailout, etc., etc). As long as the crises remained in the financial arena, they could be softened and postponed (not cured). Now it is likely there will be a new Greek election and the risk that the Greeks may see it as a chance to make a loud and clear anti-austerity statement. Others, however, seeing the proximity of payment deadlines, and such, may see it as a vote on exiting the Euro.

The smart kids think that everybody including the Greeks are bluffing:

Is a Greek departure from the Eurozone imminent? The smart set in the world media seems to have decided overnight that it is, but I’m not so sure.

The key player, pictured above, is Alexis Tsipras the 37 year-old leader of Syriza, the Coalition of the Radical Left. Greek politics has long been dominated by to main parties, the center-right New Democracy and the center-left PASOK both of which are more patronage networks than real ideological parties. Then off on the far-left was a Communist Party. That party, like many European Communist parties, split between a Moscow-dominated faction and a more independent-minded Eurocommunist tendency. Syriza is coalition of far-left parties with the Eurocommunist faction of the old Communist party at its held. Tsipras, at the age of 37, is obviously too young to be a cold warrior but the point is that the party’s origins are outside of the Greek mainstream. Except that at the most recent elections Syriza emerged as the second-largest party—bigger than PASOK—and even a New Democracy / PASOK grand coaltion couldn’t govern without Syriza participation. Syriza refused to participate, and Greece now looks to be headed to new elections in which Tsipras will do even better.

So what’s his view?

Well on the face of it, his policy makes no sense. He says he rejects the EU-imposed austerity program but wants to stay in the Euro and in the European Union. But Greece has a large primary budget deficit and no source of market financing. The EU is insisting on an austerity program, but it’s also giving them cold hard cash in the interim. Reject the austerity program and you lose the EU/IMF money and need to implement an even harsher austerity program. Tsipras is a bit like a guy standing in your living room threatening to blow his own brains out unless you pay him money, a proposition he offers on the theory that you’d rather not see your furniture ruined.

I have a question for anybody who thinks that austerity for Europe, particularly for Greece, is a bad policy, austerity presumably defined as taxing more and spending less. Austerity is the price that the French and German bankers and European central bankers are demanding of Greece to continue lending money to Greece. If Greece leaves the euro, the new drachma will, presumably, have a value 30 to 50% lower than the euro it replaces and Greece will experience even more austerity than they are under the extend and pretend scenario that’s been going on for well over a year.

What’s Greece’s alternative? I think the only other alternative is for Germans to blink and accept a Greece that spends more than it produces, much of that spending being money “borrowed” from Germany. Needless to say the Germans don’t think much of that plan.

Update

Here’s Felix Salmon’s take:

Up until now, only pariah countries have defaulted to the IMF, but Greece is the exception to many rules. And given the choice between default and devaluation, it seems to me that Greek politicians — and the Greek population as a whole — clearly prefers the former to the latter.

Once you strip out Greece’s debt payments, the country’s primary deficit is pretty modest — just 1% of GDP or so. So could Greece make one more round of cuts, default on all its debts, and remain within the Eurozone?

I think the answer is no — and the reason is the banks. If the ECB were to stop funding the Greek banks, and if Greece were to default on its debts, all of Greece’s banks would be insolvent. And you can’t have a functioning economy without banks. Basically, Greek depositors need to be able to withdraw something from their checking accounts. And if the EU stops supporting the banks, that something can’t be euros any more.

It really appears to me that exiting the euro, in all likelihood shortly followed by other countries, is not only in Greece’s future but in Greece’s interests. But even default, exiting the euro, and devaluing is likely to mean more austerity for Greece. Unless the Greeks want to risk becoming Zimbabwe on the Aegean.

20 comments… add one
  • I thought deficits were not an issue? I just don’t get it, just print more and more money…isn’t that what new MMT tells us? I thought there was no functional limit on deficits/printing money. And that deficits create financial wealth.

  • Steve Link

    I think it was Cheney who said deficits dont matter. I am not sure how MMT works, or not, for the EU. Common currency but not much else. I expect everyone to stall as long as they can.

    Steve

  • michael reynolds Link

    I have a question for anybody who thinks that austerity for Europe, particularly for Greece, is a bad policy, austerity presumably defined as taxing more and spending less. Austerity is the price that the French and German bankers and European central bankers are demanding of Greece to continue lending money to Greece. If Greece leaves the euro, the new drachma will, presumably, have a value 30 to 50% lower than the euro it replaces and Greece will experience even more austerity than they are under the extend and pretend scenario that’s been going on for well over a year.

    I’ve been wondering this same thing. A lot of the reporting treats an exit as if it would be a regrettable but effective cure.

    Naturally for me the real question is whether I’d be able to afford a place on Santorini. Most international economic stories come down to travel plans.

  • Sam Link

    Recipe for hyperinflation?
    1. Have a terrible time collecting the taxes you say you will because everyone is “self employed” and there is no stigma to under-reporting your income.
    2. Have a government in shambles with no stability on the horizon.
    3. Have a ton of debt.
    4. Introduce your own currency with problems 1 through 3 yet to peak.

  • Ben Wolf Link

    @Dave Schuler
    What do you mean by greater austerity if Greece leaves the eurozone?

    @Steve Verdon
    There is no money printing. That’s the problem.

  • I mean the dictionary definition of austerity: the condition of having no comforts or luxuries; harsh, ascetic. Greece will necessarily import less. Greece imports an enormous amount of what it consumes and monetary sovereignty won’t help them there.

  • PD Shaw Link

    @Ben, real interest rates before and after economic union:

    Greece 7.4 (1993-98); 1.0 (1999-2004)

    Greece can go back to printing its own money, but they will probably not be trusted by outside investors again for the foreseeable future.

  • Drew Link

    Dave

    My canary in the mine has for 4 years now been German capitulation. It appears to have happened.

    I was going to send you a Mauldin piece from this weekend on this topic, but figured you had subscribed by now. If you want me to forward it, let me know.

  • Ben Wolf Link

    @Dave Schuler
    Once Greece leaves the euro it can issue enough currency domestically to make up the financial leakage to its trade deficits. There will probably be significant inflationary effects, but in my opinion that’s preferrable to the current deflationary spiral which has bankrupted the private sector. Greece’s economy desperately needs money and simply can’t get it in the existing euro framework. The people certainly won’t be wealthy but they’ll have work, a place to live and food.
    @Michael Reynolds
    Get on the horn to your real estate agent, because the value of the drachma on the FX markets will fall very quickly.

  • I don’t disagree that it’s necessary, Ben, or that the Greeks will be better off in the long run for abandoning the euro. However, I think I believe that it will be much more difficult for them than you do.

    The Greek diet is already lower in protein than that of most Eurozone countries. Greece is a net importer both of meat and legumes, a net exporter of fish and dairy. It will probably take a period of years before the necessary rebalancing between import and export can take place.

    During that period meat and beans, a more import staple in the Greek diet than here or in most Eurozone countries, will become quite expensive. Potatoes, most of which are imported and which are a diet staple, will become more expensive. At least in the short run there will be a return to a more traditional diet: bread, fish, yogurt and cheese, olive oil. Even among those more will be exported, less consumed domestically. I strongly suspect that during the transition there will be shortages and dislocations in the cities. It may be quite difficult for the urban poor.

    I might add that Greece has very little experience of honest, competent government and that, as Sam pointed out, it does have conditions which can lead to hyperinflation.

  • Ben Wolf Link

    @ Dave Schuler

    Then there’s not much disagreement here. Leaving the euro will be costly for Greece in many ways: you can’t make such an enormous transition without discomfort, for sure. It’s a question of how much value one places on economic growth; I contend it should be the number one concern and will occur quickly once Greece is back on the drachma or whatever else they choose to call it.

    The euro should never have come into existence. It was borderline suicidal for 17 nations to surrender their sovereignty without real fiscal and political union and I don’t think it can end quickly enough. What really bothers me is how the leading lights in all this continue to ignore the role of money in an economy: where it comes from, what it does, how it flows. The mainstream of economics really doesn’t appear to think it a relevant variable.

  • TastyBits Link


    … What really bothers me is how the leading lights in all this continue to ignore the role of money in an economy: where it comes from, what it does, how it flows. The mainstream of economics really doesn’t appear to think it a relevant variable.

    When money is nothing more than numbers on an electronic ledger and has no value, why should it be relevant? Money, unicorns, and fairies are equivalent, and they have no role in a “modern” economy.

    “For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.”

  • The euro should never have come into existence. It was borderline suicidal for 17 nations to surrender their sovereignty without real fiscal and political union and I don’t think it can end quickly enough.

    I was living and working in Germany in the early days of the debate on this subject in 1970s when the predecessor to the euro, the ECU, was being debated. Since I was in Germany my views, which were somewhat along the lines that you expressed above, were treated as lunacy. It is and always was obvious what the purpose of the euro was: a reserve currency that would form an alternative to the dollar. Clearly, that hasn’t worked out too well.

    Other than for nationalistic Germans there is no need for it.

  • TastyBits Link


    I thought deficits were not an issue? I just don’t get it, just print more and more money…isn’t that what new MMT tells us? I thought there was no functional limit on deficits/printing money. And that deficits create financial wealth.

    @Steve Verdon
    This was the thinking that got us into the housing mess. I remember arguing with the geniuses in 2006 about the coming housing crisis. They had similar arguments, charts, formulas, etc. We know how that ended, but of course, it is different this time.

    In MMT, “financial wealth” is not what you would consider wealth. Within MMT money has no value, and therefore, “financial wealth” is numbers on an electronic ledger. Not all nonsense is equal, and I prefer to get mine from a master.

    “For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.”

  • Ben,

    I was being somewhat sarcastic what I meant was money creation and I think you knew that. My point is that from your MMT there shouldn’t be a problem, IMO. Deficits create financial wealth, and one of our problems here was that we didn’t run deficits or deficits big enough. Now we look at Greece and we see a situation where their debt problems are getting very serious. The rest of the PIIGS are also not doing so hot either.

    There is a limit to how much debt you can incur. There is a limit to how much money you can create. MMTs claims to contrary just don’t seem to match reality. When a theory doesn’t match reality it is flawed, you can’t say reality is flawed.

    My problem can be summarized is accounting identities are great, but they aren’t economics. Economics is a behavioral science so accounting identities don’t necessarily hold everywhere at all times.

    The basic thing is this:

    G-T = S-I. (Excluding exports to simplify things)

    This is where you and MMTers hang your hat. You say, look if G > T then it must be that S > I, therefore more savings when there is a deficit. Simple. But couldn’t we also obtain equality by having I go down and S staying the same? Why does S have to increase? The problem is that the right hand side of the equation (identity actually which is different than an equation) is based on behavior of people who might behave in different ways at different times. People might increase savings when the deficit goes up…or they might not. And even if they do it in say 1950 they might not in 1985. To say that savings is driven solely and completely by government deficits is a bit hard to swallow.

    So I think this MMT is merely taking a tautology and making inferences from it that might be valid or might not, but you certainly can’t know if they are valid without going out and looking what kinds of behavior is going on in the economy.

  • By the way, I have given you criticism that is more detailed and thought our, if not even thoughtful, in the past and you’ve ignored them. Either you didn’t see them or you are out of your depth in responding to them. I don’t know which yet.

    So please, spare me the indignation that I am often sarcastic in my posts to you. You have yet to respond to a more detailed and thorough criticism I’ve leveled.

  • Ben Wolf Link

    @Steve Verdon

    When I’m indignant I’ll tell you, so please stop making things up. I’m a sociopath, not a lover of blog rage. My twisted machinations are of an entirely different stripe.

    For the record:

    1). “There is a limit to how much debt you can incur.”

    This isn’t even the correct argument because you still haven’t appreciated the difference between a currency issuer (U.S.) and a currency user (Greece). Greece is actually borrowing to sustain its deficits, which is why it is vulnerable to spike in yields on the bond markets. Of course this is not sustainable. The U.K. on the other hand does not borrow to fund spending and bond market insiders know this. Its deficits are entirely financed by altering the numbers in accounts and it “borrows” solely as a method of draining all the excess reserves the spending creates so that the Bank of England can hit the overnight target rate.

    Your argument indicates you still labor under the false impression this is what MMT is advocating, rather than understanding MMT is telling you this is how it already is.

    2). “Deficits create financial wealth, and one of our problems here was that we didn’t run deficits or deficits big enough. Now we look at Greece and we see a situation where their debt problems are getting very serious. The rest of the PIIGS are also not doing so hot either.”

    What were their deficits for? Have you noticed Greece’s budget deficit before the financial crash mirrored their trade deficits, meaning Greece was forced to borrow to replace the private sector’s lost net financial assets? Deficits can add financial assets, they do not create wealth. That’s the private sector’s job. Nor does MMT suggest deficits are always beneficial. If they stimulate demand beyond the country’s productive capacity or monopolize resources then budget deficits will undermine the country’s economic strength.

    3). “There is a limit to how much money you can create.”

    There is no limit to the amount of money which a currency issuer can create. No one ever asks where the scorekeeper at a football game can get more points, he just adds them. The principle in regards to creation of net financial assets is no different.

    4). “This is where you and MMTers hang your hat. You say, look if G > T then it must be that S > I, therefore more savings when there is a deficit.”

    No one that I am aware of has ever claimed that budget deficits must by definition increase the savings rate. I’d really like a link to where you’ve read this because I have a thing or two to write to them. All MMT states is the general preference of the private sector in a capitalist economy is to net save, and it is this combined with taxation which creates unemployment as net financial assets are removed from circulation. The entire point of functional finance, upon which a considerable part of MMT is based, is that the government should pursue the necessary conditions for a prosperous economy.

    P.S.
    Government doesn’t necessarily have to create net financial assets to stimulate demand. It can also cut taxes in order to do so. Warren Mosler’s grand rule: there is no economic downturn a sufficiently large spending program or a sufficiently large tax cut cannot resolve.

  • This isn’t even the correct argument because you still haven’t appreciated the difference between a currency issuer (U.S.) and a currency user (Greece).

    Sorry, I’m making a general argument against MMT. The issue of Greece is not what I was talking about but MMT in general.

    Try again.

  • There is no limit to the amount of money which a currency issuer can create.

    Right, hyper-inflation never happens. Oh wait….

    No one that I am aware of has ever claimed that budget deficits must by definition increase the savings rate.

    Okay,

    All MMT states is the general preference of the private sector in a capitalist economy is to net save, and it is this combined with taxation which creates unemployment as net financial assets are removed from circulation.–Ben Wolf May 15, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    Get back to me after you’ve had a stern talking to yourself.

  • Ben Wolf Link

    @Steve Verdon

    This is why it’s utterly useless to engage with you on this. You have absolutely no concept of nuance or complexity, and everything is black/white to you. Your above reply demonstrates you don’t understand the difference between “can” and “should”, leaving us absolutely no basis on which to converse.

    The government CAN produce any quantity of money it likes. That doesn’t mean it SHOULD. Deficits do not ALWAYS mean an increase in private sector financial wealth, but in GENERAL it does.

    Your fixation with deficits has mislead you from understanding the greater MMT framework, much of which is based on studying the operational realities of the monetary system and behavior of the central bank. I’d suggest starting here with one of the country’s best authorities on the subject:

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=444041

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