Four Claims

As I read this post from NPR, imagining a low carbon emissions future, I was impressed at what a thorough-going work of fantasy it was. It’s a pleasant fantasy but a fantasy nonetheless. You can read it if you care to. It’s very attractively presented.

In response I’m going to make four claims about carbon emissions. Rather than attempting to prove them, I’ll just suggest why I believe them to be true.

It doesn’t much matter what we do here.

There are many things we can do here. We can commute less. We can build less. We can use energy more efficiently. Unfortunately, none of those will actually solve the problem that people are complaining about. We can reduce U. S. carbon emissions to zero and, assuming that the models are correct, the effect on climate change will be negligible. This is the reason:

What does matter is what China, India, and, increasingly, the countries of Africa do.

It doesn’t much matter what ordinary people in the U. S. do.

I’ve posted on this extensively. Carbon emissions rise geometrically with income. Mark Zuckerberg’s 5,600 square foot home doesn’t require twice as many carbon emissions as the average home it requires a lot more than that. Add his flying around the country via jet and all of the other ways in which he causes carbon emissions and you’ll see what I mean. The implication of this is that the results of market-based strategies for reducing emissions will be disappointing.

We will need heavy industry for the foreseeable future.

Here’s just one example. Millions of people require insulin to live. Consider the industrial process by which artificial insulin is created. Here’s a production plant for the production of artificial insulin:

That’s heavy industry. It takes steel and power and people commuting to work. We won’t locate insulin-production plants in midtown Manhattan or in the Loop in Chicago. “Urbanization” is a fantasy. Moving insulin production to India won’t help. It will just be out of our sight and beyond our control. If India’s approach to heavy industry produces more carbon emissions than ours does, that will actually produce more emissions. Multiply insulin by the tens of thousands of other similar products on which our lives depend.

Too many of our policies over the last half century have been counter-productive.

We have subsidized road construction, home-building, and offshoring our manufacturing to places where it is safely out of sight and beyond our control. All of these things increase carbon emissions beyond what they otherwise would have been. These policies are popular which is why they’re likely to continue.

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  • Jimbino Link

    The one sure way to reduce carbon emissions is to put a stop to all the breeding. Better than insulin would be a contraceptive to put in the world’s drinking water.

  • steve Link

    First claim.- If we actually develop technology that is cost effective enough to reduce our emissions to zero, or close to it, I expect that technology to be adopted throughout the world. The problem will take care of itself.

    Second claim- Meh. Even the rich will use the technology if it is cheap. They will probably always have a larger footprint, but wouldn’t let that stop us. (By the way, pretty sure rich conservatives also produce a lot of carbon. The only difference is that they are proud of it.)

    Third claim- See the first.

    Fourth claim- Yup. If we are going to subsidize anything subsidize research.

    Steve

  • steve:

    Assume existing technology. You can do anything if you assume things that don’t exist. You can do even more if you assume things that can’t exist. In essence that’s my complaint. People are making too many assumptions about things that can’t exist.

  • steve Link

    You said assume emissions of zero. We cant do that right now so have to assume this only happens when the tech improves. Assuming current technology, then nothing changes and we all need to move north.

    Steve

  • You said assume emissions of zero.

    Emissions of zero in the United States. That’s a different class of assumption. We could achieve zero emissions here with existing technology. We won’t but it isn’t impossible. We offshore all manufacturing, everyone changes to EVs or walks or cycles to work, and so on. I think that’s basically what the GND is proposing.

  • steve Link

    “At what point do people start feeling as though the minority is getting to rule over the majority? Because that’s the path we’re heading towards.”

    We don’t have the non carbon generating power to produce enough electricity and no way to fly planes. Not possible.

    ” I think that’s basically what the GND is proposing.”

    I dont. There is no bill or proposal just a non-binding resolution. I would wait for a real proposal until deciding what they are proposing. I also think that the resolution is assuming major tech advances, so again I would wait to see wha tis proposed.

    Steve

  • What are you quoting in that first paragraph, steve? It certainly isn’t me.

    Just as a reminder. There is no Moore’s Law for batteries.

  • steve Link

    Hmmm, heaven knows where I got the first line. Shouldn’t rush between meetings. BTW, did you know that there is a futures market for predicting temperatures, and the market correlates well with actual temperatures and temperature predictions?

    http://ceep.columbia.edu/papers/n2.pdf

    Steve

  • Doesn’t surprise me.

  • steve Link

    No, but it would surprise every conservative who believes in “markets”.

    Steve

  • I find that belief in the power of markets is highly selective. People defend intellectual property law and markets in the same breath or occupational licensing and markets in the same breath.

    I don’t have a problem with either intellectual property law or occupational licensing but I would think that people should have the good grace to realize that you can’t have a market as long as they’re in place.

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