Can We Deter Iran’s Proxies?

I am frankly puzzled by Kenneth F. McKenzie Jr.’s Wall Street Journal op-ed. He opens by establishing his credentials in case you don’t know who he is:

Four years ago this week, at the direction of the president, forces under my command struck and killed Quds Force Commander Qassem Soleimani in Baghdad. He was arriving there to coordinate attacks on our embassy and coalition targets across the region. Our successful strike threw Tehran’s plan into disarray. The Iranian response—a barrage of missiles against Al Asad air base in western Iraq—was largely a punch that landed against air. The attack was designed to kill Americans, but commanders on the ground ensured there were no fatalities. I don’t minimize the injuries our forces absorbed in that attack, but it could have been much worse. The Iranians subsequently backed down.

He then turns to his main message:

Here is the lesson: The Iranians’ strategic decision-making is rational. Its leaders understand the threat of violence and its application. It takes will and capability to establish and maintain deterrence. We were able to reset deterrence as a result of this violent couplet. The Iranians have always feared our capabilities, but before January 2020, they doubted our will. The bombing of the memorial ceremony for Soleimani in Iran on Wednesday that killed dozens of civilians isn’t an example of deterrence but likely internal factions struggling for power.

After exchanging fire with the U.S. four years ago, Iran continued to pursue its long-term trifecta of strategic objectives: preserving the theocratic regime in Tehran, destroying Israel, and ejecting the U.S. from the Middle East. The mullahs’ actions, however, were muted and hidden behind proxies, from the Houthis in Yemen and Hezbollah in Lebanon to Hamas in Gaza and Kataib Hezbollah in Iraq and Syria. The Iranians remembered the result of a straightforward confrontation with the U.S.

That brings me to what puzzles me. What does he want us to do? Strike back at Iran whenever someone in the Middle East attacks U. S. forces there? I’m skeptical that militias and even individual actors in the Middle East take their orders from a Central Command or in fact can be deterred by our using military force. Yes, we taught Iran a lesson: don’t attack U. S. forces directly. They aren’t. Mission accomplished.

But, as Gen. McKenzie observes, deterring Iran from taking direct military action against U. S. forces does not mean that Iran abandons its national interests. It just means they pursue them through means not deterred by American military might.

For me this is the crucial passage in the op-ed:

If avoiding escalation is the highest U.S. priority, then it is only logical to withdraw our forces from the region. That would ensure attacks on our bases don’t continue but ultimately endanger the future of the Mideast.

He raises a very interesting point. Why are U. S. troops stationed in the Middle East? As he notes if our primary objective is avoiding escalation the prudent course of action would be to remove them. If it’s to preserve peace in the Middle East, pretty clearly that’s a flop. There is precious little peace to preserve. Israel is attacking the Palestinians. Hamas, Hezbollah, and who knows how many others are attacking Israel right back. The Turks are attacking the Kurds and vice versa. DAESH is attacking Iran. Presumably, Iran will retaliate against DAESH in due course.

What national interests are we promoting with our troops in the Middle East? Because we import our oil from the Middle East? Our oil imports from the Middle East aren’t what they once were:

Are we there to preserve the flow of oil to our allies? France imports a much larger percentage of its oil from the Middle East than we do. Shouldn’t France be doing more to preserve the flow of oil?

Are our troops stationed there in case they’re needed? That would suggest that they’re there not to prevent escalation but in case of escalation.

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  • TastyBits Link

    No.

    Iranians, Iraqis, and Israelis are Persians, Babylonians, and Hebrews. They have a long military history of victory and defeat. Arabs are bedouins who won the lottery, and militarily, they are useless.

    The Hebrews settled the Holy Land by killing every man, woman, and child. The Romans solved their Hebrew problem by destroying the Holy Land.

    These are civilizations that are used to long and bloody wars. Pacifying them is long and bloody, and killing their lackeys will not stop them.

    Europeans continuously killed each other until the Westphalian Treaties, and that was only western Europe. Even then, it only slowed them down. Eastern Europeans were fighting each other until post-WW2.
    Are our troops stationed there in case they’re needed? That would suggest that they’re there not to prevent escalation but in case of escalation.

    I always thought it was in case of escalation – locate and destroy enemy positions.

    I would shoot down or sink any plane or ship that was performing aggressively against a US military asset, including Russia, China, or France. If that did not work, escalation would be to bomb bases, but as a warmonger, I would be ready to escalate to a full war, nuclear included.

    Here is the problem: the US’s enemies/adversaries know that the US citizens are not willing to do what it takes to win. It does not take a military genius to figure out that a country cannot de-industrialize, eliminate fossil fuels, be pollution-free, have accident-free work places, and win wars.

    Actually, allowing gender confused individuals to join the military tells you everything you need to know about a country’s priorities.

  • steve Link

    Yeah. Get rid of the gays too. Everyone knows sex should only be between men and women. You couldn’t possibly fulfill any role in the military if you are screwing someone of your own sex.

    “the US’s enemies/adversaries know that the US citizens are not willing to do what it takes to win”

    But they do know that we will generally overreact and invade places with no end game plan in effect. Well, other that that we will turn any country we invade into Sweden, or something.

    Steve

  • TastyBits Link

    @steve

    If you really believed that, you would want Ukrainian military aid dependent upon the Ukrainian military being inclusive and undergoing US military DEI training, but we both know you are full of crap.

  • steve Link

    I dont remember ever mentioning DEI here. Why would I care if the Ukraine military does DEI? At least for the 12 years (4 years reserves) I served we wanted people who could do the job. The majority of people in the military serve in support positions. One of my ICU nurses is trans. She is a good nurse. I cant for the life of me figure out why she would suddenly become a bad nurse if she was in the Army. IT, transportation, logistics, etc. Again, I cant figure out what people do at night in their homes with other consenting adults has much to do with how they perform at work.

    But Ukraine? I dont have any interest in what they do. Let them figure out how to make their military work.

    Steve

  • My view on whether homosexuals or trans individuals can serve in the military or whether women should serve in combat units is pretty much the same. The only consideration should be force readiness. If such service impedes force readiness , it shouldn’t be done.

  • Steve Link

    Sigh. I specifically didn’t say combat units. Many (most IIRC) people in the military are in support roles. Explain how a trans or gay person couldn’t do IT work or function as a nurse because of their gender or who they have sex with. The only way it would affect force readiness is if the people who think gays and trans people are icky decided to not do their jobs if they knew they were there, not because they couldn’t do the work.

    Steve

  • TastyBits Link

    @steve

    The only purpose for a military is to win wars, and to do that, it is highly exclusive. It is not Diverse. It is not Equitable. It is not Inclusive.

    Criminals are excluded. Crazy people are excluded. Dumb people are excluded. Weak people are excluded. Then, each branch has more exclusions, and when you cannot meet the requirements, you get kicked out.

    A trans-woman is a biological man that is intentionally weakening herself. A trans-man is a biological woman that is attempting to strengthen himself. The Peace Corps is the place for your trans nurse.

    Don’t give me any shit about your serving 12 years. I was in the Marine Corps, and few men can hump a 60 lb pack, plus ammo, plus weapon systems 20 miles and be able to fight.

    On a ship, the hold is filled by a human chain. Auto-loading tanks are re-supplied by hand. Actually, everything is loaded, unloaded, set-up, and torn-down manually. Nobody wants a slacker in the unit.

    Guess what? We had support people with us, and they had a 60 lb pack, plus their gear – armorers, weapons techs, mechanics, comm operators, pilots, and Navy Corpsmen. When your convoy is attacked, there are no support positions.

    (We were taught the basics, but the Marine Corps attaches USMC pilots to infantry units to call for fire. Since USMC uses close air support, it gives the pilots an incentive to avoid hitting their buddy.)

    Of course, you know all this. You could not spend even 5 minutes on Google to find a link to some peer reviewed study proving that Ukraine would win with DEI training.

  • Grey Shambler Link

    People obsessed and distracted by sexual identity and gender issues are useless in any endeavor not focused on the crotch.

  • steve Link

    One last try.

    1) The Marines account for only 14% of the US military. The other services have large groups who do not deploy. If they do deploy they are carrying stuff around.

    2) The Marines dont provide their own medical people, as you know. While Corpsmen run around with you nurses dont.*

    3) Depending upon whose numbers you look at only a minority of people in the military ever deploy.

    4) The goal, I think, should be to fight and win. Having the bet possible people in place at every position, not just the infantry, helps to achieve that. Judged by ability, by my time in both private practice and time on the service, the particular nurse i am thinking of has a lot of experience, good skills and judgment. The military has a perpetual shortage of experienced medical staff at the nurse and physician level. If she was working in a military ICU she would be a top 5%-10% performer.

    So if your goal is to save lives**, return people to duty so that they can fight again and win wars, then you want that nurse in a military ICU. If your goal is to keep icky people out of the military, then keep her out.

    * I do have a AP nurse working for me who is still in the reserves a special forces unit specifically because he is a physical beast. He can tote well beyond what the average special forces guy can and he has good medical skills. He is an exception.

    ** Many studies have shown over the years that soldiers place a high priority on being able to receive good medical care if wounded. AS you probably know many FOBs would not send troops out on patrol if they did not have adequate space in their ICU to care for anyone who did get wounded.

    Steve

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    Don’t worry about force readiness

    This is a military where the Defense Secretary can go AWOL in an ICU for a week without affecting anything; at least that’s what the Pentagon says.

  • TastyBits Link

    @steve

    While I am not impressed by most sailors, some of the hardest Marines are Navy Corpsmen. When attached with an USMC infantry unit, they do everything we do, but instead of humping ammo and a .50 cal tripod, they have a field surgical kit.

    When there are no more Corpsmen, guess who gets sent?

    While we would talk about being “in the rear with the gear”, every military installation is a potential target, and when it is hit, the personnel need to be physically fit and able to put rounds on target. Everybody needs to be ready to fight, or they should be in the Peace Corps.

    Unlike most of the people you argue with, I have been in the military, in combat, been around lots of gay men, and been around a few trans-women. None of that bothers me. While in the Marine Corps, I knew a few Honorably Discharged Marines that were gay, and later I met a few active Marines that were gay.

    I am from New Orleans, and I have been in more gay bars than I can count. (Gay guys used to be fun.) At this point, half my nieces and nephews are gay, and I suspect one is trans. I do not care. If they need a place to crash, my sofa is open.

    I am sorry, but the military is not inclusive. If it gets to the point where we are arming old men, we have a bigger problem. Besides, we will still need civilian nurses (trans or not).

    If that nurse is not an asshole, send her to the New Orleans VA. Otherwise, she can apply to the Houston VA.

  • Grey Shambler Link

    But the question was, can we deter Iran’s proxies.
    Answer in a question, are we the Roman Empire?
    No, we can’t, we won’t, we’ll only respond ineffectually and hope time will solve the problem.

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    Side comment, Grey.

    The Roman Empire couldn’t deter the ancestors of Iranians in their day. The Romans fought off and on for 600 years against the ruling power of the Iranian plateau (the Parthians, the Sassanids) until both were defeated by the Arabs.

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