Assessing the Status

George Friedman assesses the status of the war between Russia and Ukraine. Following the Wagner Group’s march towards Moscow, whatever the heck that was:

Two things became unlikely: that Russia would destroy the Ukrainian army and occupy Ukraine, and that Ukraine’s army would drive Russia out of Ukraine. The only logical step is a negotiated settlement. The question is what that settlement might consist of. The only logical settlement – on the surface, at least – is a division of Ukraine. One option might be that Donbas, full of ethnic Russians and on Russia’s border, is ceded to Moscow. But Ukraine cannot cede more – or even this – because it reasonably doesn’t trust the Russians not to base a force there and attack again in the future. The Russians will have a great deal of trouble accepting this. They have lost much in the war, and returning with only Donbas would be an insult to the dead and devastating to Putin. Ukraine must have a militarily defensible boundary and a shallow concession. Russia must validate the claim that it is a great power and can settle for far more than Ukraine can concede. Each side must make a powerful move to convince the other that a bad compromise is better than defeat.

Not everyone sees it that way. For example, Peter Juul sees the U. S. war aims as:

  1. Complete Russian withdrawal from Ukraine’s internationally recognized territory—including Crimea and territories seized by Russia since 2014. Russia renounces any and all claims to Ukrainian territory within its internationally recognized borders as part of an agreement formally ending hostilities.
  2. As part of an agreement formally ending hostilities, Russia formally and explicitly recognizes and reaffirms Ukraine’s freedom to choose its own alliances and geopolitical alignments—explicitly including potential Ukrainian membership in NATO and the European Union.
  3. A de-militarized zone is created along the Ukrainian-Russian border, overseen by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. The precise parameters of this zone should be cleared with Kyiv before the publication of any American war aims document.
  4. The full, immediate, and unconditional release and return of all Ukrainians now held by or deported to Russia, including prisoners of war, civilians, and the more than 700,000 Ukrainian children Russia has abducted from Ukraine.
  5. The United Nations, European Union, or some other credible multinational organization establishes a special war crimes tribunal for Ukraine to investigate and try Russian war criminals.
  6. Russia ceases its threats against the territorial integrity and political independence of all OSCE member nations—in particular Baltic and Eastern European states—in accordance with its obligations under the Charter of the United Nations.
  7. Removal of all Russian nuclear weapons from Belarus. Russia refrains from implicit and explicit threats of nuclear weapons use and nuclear war. Nuclear arms control talks including but not limited to Russia and the United States recommence at the earliest possible date.
  8. The United States, the European Union, and Turkey guarantee the free flow of Ukrainian grain and other agricultural products via the Black Sea. Russia formally pledges not to interfere with Ukrainian agricultural exports.
  9. The reduction and removal of certain sanctions against Russia, not including those on military equipment, goods, and technology or on Russian energy exports.
  10. A certain portion of Russian frozen financial assets will be seized or surrendered to help pay for reconstruction of Ukraine. The exact details of this point should be negotiated with relevant European allies and cleared with Kyiv.

Since the U. S. does not have the ability to supply the Ukrainians I have no idea how the United States would achieve those goals short of direct intervention of U. S. forces in the war, something President Biden has categorically rejected.

Mr. Friedman goes on to describe how he sees Russia’s actions but I think his explanation is far too complicated and he’s ignoring something. The simplest possible explanation of Russia’s actions is that John Mearsheimer was right: Russia plans to “wreck Ukraine”. Putin doesn’t want to occupy it, at least not all of it, but to wreck it.

Update

Another precinct heard from. Here’s Dominick Sansone at The National Interest:

The issue at the center of the disagreement is that the respondents do not believe that such an end can be reached unless it proceeds from total Ukrainian victory and the destruction of the current Russian regime. The reason for this is presented as a matter of fact: Russia can simply no longer be treated as a real nation-state. As articulated by Stent, any negotiation with Moscow is impossible because they are liars, and an armistice will inevitably be a “temporary solution while Russia regroups and plans its next attack.” Such a conclusion obviously leads the international community to an impasse in which the only way out is through.

I have no idea how the outcome (the end of Russia) can be accomplished. He concludes:

Unfortunately, this seems to be the mindset of not only those experts and diplomats responding to Charap’s sensible argument, but the Western foreign policy establishment more broadly.

13 comments… add one
  • Grey Shambler Link

    Delusional, what are we going to do? Disinvite Putin from Davos again?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/06/world/europe/putins-forever-war.html

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    “Ukraine must have a militarily defensible boundary and a shallow concession”

    This goes to one of the most difficult issues in resolving the conflict.

    The geography of Eurasia has no natural borders due west from the Danube/Carpathian mountains/ Baltic Sea, north of the Black sea, Caucasus, Caspian Sea, all the way east until the Ural Mountains, and arguably until you hit the Pacific Ocean.

    There isn’t a defensible border to be defined as history shows. Napoleon’s march to Moscow, Hitler’s going as far East as Stalingrad, the Swedes at Poltava — shows how easily armies from the West can go. Going East, you have the Huns who came from Mongolia, and Mongols as the Golden Horde who reached well into Poland and Hungary.

  • Grey Shambler Link

    And I believe your point is that Russia has legitimate security interests.
    My point would be that NATO should recognize and accommodate that.
    We can be secure without fighting the last war over again ad infinitum.

  • bob sykes Link

    If Friedman, Juul, and Sansone truly reflect US thinking, then Russia has to occupy all of Ukraine even at the risk of nuclear war. For them this truly is an existence war, to the same degree WW II was. There will be no negotiated settlement. This is a fight to the finish for both Russia and US-NATO. Only one will survive, and possibly neither will. That means us, you and me.

  • TastyBits Link

    This war is brought to us by the same people who thought Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya would be shining examples of liberal democracy.

    We know how this movie ends. The US pours billions of dollars into “Country X”. At some point, the US public becomes bored with “Country X”. The neocons continue to push “Country X” as the last domino to fall before “latest enemy” rules the world.

    Eventually, there is a new “shiny thing”, and we are faced with the next existential crisis for “the American way of life”, “Western civilization”, “free-market capitalism”, “liberal democracy”, yada, yada, yada …

    At that point, Ukrainians will learn that they are Slavs, like the Russians. If the movie follows the last proxy war with the Soviet Union, the Ukrainians will use all their new toys to “thank” the US in 20 years.

  • Andy Link

    In war, reality eventually destroys hope and delusions.

    It’s becoming increasingly clear – as I’ve been saying pretty consistently – that neither side has the military capabilities to achieve its desired goals. The only question is when the combatants will accept that, and on what terms they will negotiate a ceasefire or armistice – even if it is only a temporary peace to prepare for another continuation war.

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    “neither side has the military capabilities to achieve its desired goals”

    It depends on what the Russian or Western goals are.

    If the Russian goal is to wreck Ukraine for a generation if it can’t keep it neutral; it is well on its way to achieving the goal.

    If the Western goal is to wreck Russia (domestically and economically) if it can’t beat Russia on the battlefield, that goal looks achievable still.

  • Andy Link

    Curious,

    Those aren’t the actual goals for Ukraine and Russia. They may have to settle for those, however, at least temporarily.

  • In your view what are Russia’s goals?

  • Andy Link

    Russia states they want a disarmed and de-Nazified Ukraine which means, in practice, a Ukraine that is aligned with Moscow – similar to Belarus. That seems to have been the goal of the invasion – to depose the government quickly in favor of a friendly regime.

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    There’s a difference between aspirational goals and bottom line goals.

    Russia wishes Ukraine was aligned as Belarus was — but acceptable was Ukraine is neutral (as in their Dec 2021 ultimatum that Ukraine not be in NATO). The bottom line (as John Mearsheimer suggests) is if the acceptable is not achievable, Ukraine isn’t a threat to Russia by wrecking it (hence a disarmed Ukraine).

    Another observation is one I have made about wars of attrition. They can appear very static for years and then a dramatic end in weeks (my examples are the Virigina theater in the Civil War and the Western front in WW1). The US doesn’t appear to have a clear idea on how attrition is affecting Ukraine or Russia.

    Final observation is I don’t believe Western goals are identical to Ukrainian goals.

  • I think that’s a fair statement of what Russia has said, Andy. I’d probably add independence for Donetsk and Luhansk (possibly federation with Russia) and retaining Crimea.

    What’s the corresponding statement for Ukraine? I think it would be
    1) removal of all Russian forces from pre-2014 Ukrainian territory
    2) demilitarization of Russia
    3) acceptance of an ethnic Ukrainian state where pre-2014 there was a multi-ethnic state of Ukraine
    4) affiliation with NATO and the EU

    Note that the goals listed for Russia DO NOT include occupying all of Ukraine. I don’t believe that’s a Russian goal.

    CuriousOnlooker:

    I don’t believe our goals are synonymous with Ukraine’s goals, either.

  • Andy Link

    “Russia wishes Ukraine was aligned as Belarus was — but acceptable was Ukraine is neutral (as in their Dec 2021 ultimatum that Ukraine not be in NATO). The bottom line (as John Mearsheimer suggests) is if the acceptable is not achievable, Ukraine isn’t a threat to Russia by wrecking it (hence a disarmed Ukraine).”

    Yes, well, that’s my point. Goals will change as the reality on the ground and the realization of what can be achieved changes.

    “I don’t believe our goals are synonymous with Ukraine’s goals, either.”

    Oh, I think the West would very much like to achieve Ukraine’s goals. The difference is that the West has fewer stakes in the conflict and is more willing to settle for just hurting Russia.

    Dave,

    For Ukraine’s goals, I generally agree with your list. The Peter Juul piece you quoted is a good list of maximalist objectives.

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