About Taxes

At E21 Brian Riedl contradicts several commonly held beliefs about taxes that I’m sure will be like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Here are the his six statements:

  1. Long term deficits are driven entirely by increases in spending.
  2. The Democrats’ tax proposals will do little to reduce the deficit. Here’s the signal graph in his remarks on that subject:

    Congressional Democrats’ seven most common tax proposals – raising investment taxes, repealing tax breaks for oil and gas, taxing carried interest as ordinary income, imposing a Wall Street fee, imposing the “Buffet tax,” repealing the depreciation schedule for corporate jets, and taxing the business costs of moving overseas – would together close just 3 percent of the $9.4 trillion ten-year deficit. If they caused annual economic growth rates to fall from 2.1 percent to 2.0 percent, those tax increases would actually lose revenue.

  3. Taxing the rich cannot balance the budget in the absence of substantial spending cuts. That’s a fact too frequently ignored. Consider:

    It is mathematically impossible to balance the budget solely on the backs of upper-income earners. Seizing all income earned above the $1 million threshold would fund the federal government for less than two months per year. Setting the threshold at $500,000 merely adds a third month.

    The reason that we tax “the rich” is the same reason that Willie Sutton gave for robbing banks: it’s where the money is.
    It’s where the income growth has been. Fair or not, it doesn’t mean that we can spend at an indefinitely high level and only tax the rich.

  4. The U. S. income tax is the most progressive in the OECD.
  5. The U. S. income tax is becoming more progressive over time.
  6. Taxes are important to economic growth.

How important are deficits? They’re not the only thing that’s important but they’re still important. Although we no longer believe that public debt has a cliff at some arbitrary percentage at which point it drastically reduces growth, increasing public debt does seem to reduce economic growth. In other words running a deficit is not harmless. We should not have expanding deficits during an economic expansion.

I continue to believe that for a variety of reasons not the least of which is that the dollar has unique importance among world currencies we can continue to run deficits that are below the rate of increase in GDP possibly indefinitely. Last year the deficit was 3.2% of GDP. It is estimated that the deficit this year will be 2.6% of GDP. Those are too high.

What then is to be done? We need to establish priorities and have the courage to enforce them. We should limit our war-making to cases where war is actually justified. We can only have universal health care if we’re also willing (and able) to reduce wages in the sector and restrain the growth in spending to what we can afford. We can’t pay every public employee, active or retired, as much as they want. We can’t link every city of over 50,000 population via interstates or build (and maintain) every bridge that anybody wants.

As me auld mither used to say, we can have anything we want but we can’t have everything we want.

10 comments… add one
  • steve Link

    Our income taxes are the most (or second most) progressive in the OECD, but we do have other taxes. You also need to decide how you want to treat transfers. Lump together all of the taxes, add in the transfers and then we aren’t so progressive.

    On taxes I would like to see us use them less as policy or ideological tools. We should decide what we want the government to do, then tax enough to pay for it. I would also like to see some simplification. I would especially like to see us get away from “starve the beast”. What a failure.

    Steve

  • Guarneri Link

    They are still extremely progressive, steve. You don’t have to fish around long to find an accounting. And you will never exhaust what a progressive wants “we” to have government do. I was laughed at when I quipped that cell phones would be the next paid for “by the government” item. Sue enough, during the Obama era it was advocated. A safety item you know.

  • Guarneri Link

    Financialization gets a lot of play these days. Generally the examples used are misguided. However, this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-29/former-ltcm-partner-says-firm-never-understood-why-returns-were-so-high

    Is an example of financialization for which I cannot think of real utility. Just smart guys making money on arbitrage. I know one can cite price discovery and liquidity, but I think the world would survive without this activity.

  • steve Link

    Except of the facts that the Obamaphone programs started under Reagan, the first smartphone went out under Bush and it doesn’t really use federal monies, you nailed that one Drew. The thing is that if you want one serious, I sort of agree with you. One party, Dems, wants too much. The other party doesn’t want all of those things. Demi are willing to increase taxes for the things they want. The real problem is that the GOP won’t take the hit on cutting spending, but they like the votes they get from cutting taxes. Cutting taxes while increasing spending. I am just a doctor (Jim), so lets use your financial expertise. Keep cutting revenue and keep increasing spending. Where does that get us?

    Steve

  • Demi are willing to increase taxes for the things they want

    But they aren’t. They’re peddling the fiction that they can increase spending painlessly for most people by only taxing the rich. But they want to spend more than can be realized solely by taxing the rich.

  • steve Link

    Uhh, Dave, I don’t think it is really disputable that the Dems have a history of raising taxes. Even Drew would agree with that. The may be at a point where it is difficult to continue raising them AND generate more revenue from them, but that is another discussion.

    And on the Obamaphone….

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp

    Steve

  • Uhh, Dave, I don’t think it is really disputable that the Dems have a history of raising taxes.

    You missed a critical phrase in what I wrote: on the rich. To do what they want to do they’ll need to raise taxes on everybody. Basically, Illinois writ large.

  • steve Link

    Mea culpa.

  • TastyBits Link

    Financialization is a monetary phenomenon. In a debt based monetary system, the financial system must create more credit-creating financial instruments, or the financial sector collapses. Gold, Glass-Steagall, and other banking regulations keep the money + credit supply more aligned with asset values.

    The size of the financial industry is a necessary outcome of a debt backed monetary system. It is conducive to financial shenanigans, but it also distorts the economy. It allows expansion where there should be contraction and contraction where there should be expansion.

    Warren Buffett and many others would not be as wealthy without the ability to create money out of credit.

  • TastyBits Link

    Regarding taxes in general, I wonder how the aforementioned Warren Buffett’s wealth would have been affected by the younger, and less wealthy, Warren Buffett being subjected to the taxation he now advocates?

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