A Policy of Consequences

Tanner Greer has an op-ed in the New York Times, urging us to consider the consequences of our policy with respect to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine rather than focusing solely on the righteousness of the Ukrainians’ cause. The observant might recognize Tanner as “T. Greer”, the blogger at The Scholar’s Stage. The Scholar’s Stage is one of my favorite blogs and I have added it to my blogroll.

Here’s a snippet from the post at The Scholar’s Stage on the op-ed:

I have an op-ed out in the New York Times today arguing that we must intentionally ground our response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in careful, cost-benefit calculation instead of emotional reaction or moral fervor. The piece is given the unfortunate title “Ukraine’s Cause is Righteous. That Shouldn’t Shape Policy.” My argument is not that the rightness of the Ukrainian cause does not matter, but that in moments of crisis it is easy to do things that feel right even if they do not help us achieve the right outcomes. The righteous demand to do the right thing—now!—unnaturally speeds the tempo of decision making and warps the policy review process. The end result are statesmen rushing into policies whose consequences they have not fully gamed out.

These points are not new to you all: I made them all at greater length in an essay published on this website two weeks ago. Like that essay, today’s New York Times piece hearkens back to the poor policy planning process that preceded the invasion of Iraq. This comparison is not playing well on Twitter. This is partially because the idea that Iraq was a problem of moral imperatives gone wrong is not intuitive to folks who have not studied the origins of that war in close detail (e.g. see here, here, and here), and there was no space to provide those details in the column. But a lot of what is riling people up is the implicit moral comparison they think is being made between the neocons of Bush ’43 and Western leaders today. But that is not my argument! The comparison is necessary not because an invasion and a stand against invasion are moral equivalents, but because in both situations we find American statesmen working outside of the normal policy process in the immediate aftermath of an emotionally charged attack on innocent people.

That dovetails nicely with James Joyner’s assessment of the situation at OTB:

The obvious settlement is one in which Ukraine concedes Crimea, which is already a fait accompli, as well as Eastern Ukraine to Russia along with a pledge to never join NATO. That would be a bitter pill, indeed, for Zelensky. But he’s more-or-less made the NATO pledge already and Crimea was gone years ago.

Would President Biden and other Western leaders go along with this? I’m not so sure. While far short of his original war aims, it would be a clear victory for Putin and a massive reward for his atrocities.

Then again, the West has very little skin in this game. We’re supplying massive amounts of weapons to help the Ukrainians fight on. But will that be enough to achieve a total victory? If not, how many Ukrainians do we want to die by prolonging this fight for months, or even years?

Which leaves me where I’ve been for weeks: I simply don’t know the answer to these questions.

I’ll make the remarks here I was tempted to make there. Discounting the risk of escalation to increasing direct participation by NATO which every wargame has found leads to a nuclear exchange, I think there’s a substantial risk that the U. S. and our NATO allies will be reluctant to accept a resolution of the war that the Ukrainians themselves are willing to accept. I suspect that James’s scenario described above fits that. What would the Ukrainians get from it? An end to the shelling of Ukrainian cities, the shelling and bombing of Ukrainian cities not intensifying, and a small amount of sovereignty since the present Ukrainian government would remain in place. It would save Ukrainian lives.

I recognize that’s not a moral solution. Will it encourage Putin to engage in similar actions in the Baltic or elsewhere? I honestly don’t know but I doubt it given the Russian experience in Ukraine.

Whether we would accept that is a question of priorities.

Such a suggestion will no doubt be condemned as immoral, appeasement, crypto-Russian, etc. Again, it’s a question of priorities. I still don’t believe that Putin is Hitler (or crazy), that Russia is Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union, or that Ukraine is Poland in 1939.

7 comments… add one
  • steve Link

    I think it is up to Ukraine. I disagree that it would mean they retain any meaningful sovereignty. Ok, I guess they get to decide on who is dogcatcher and other important positions but they would be giving up their ability/right as a sovereign entity in how they interact with other nations. I am having a hard time being two that is significantly differne than bobbing forced back into the USSR. For that matter they would also know that all domestic decisions would be subject to approval/disapproval by Russia which could again invade. Since Putin wont accept, I believe, any agreement that does not include demilitarization, that was one of his original demands, Ukraine could not fight back.

    So lets see. Ukraine gives away a big chunk of its country. It cant make decisions about its relationship with other countries. It can make domestic decisions but if they should happen to draw the ire of Russia then Ukraine could face military consequences. Of course that would actually be pretty unlikely since the Ukraine economy would be completely linked to and dependent upon Russia so Putin could just turn the economic screws. So explain in more details how this would be unlike the USSR.

    All that said, if it is what Ukraine decides to do it should be their choice. Its one thing for us sitting in our comfy homes glibly saying that Ukraine should just fight to death rather than rejoining the USSR and being the ones actually fighting until we are all dead. Ukraine needs to decide their own tradeoffs. For our part I think we ned to support Ukraine’s decision but I dont think we need to make things easy on Russia. They should remain a pariah state.

    Steve

  • All that said, if it is what Ukraine decides to do it should be their choice.

    That is my point. We should not press the Ukrainians to reject a settlement because we don’t like it.

  • steve Link

    Do you still really believe that Russia/Putin is so much different than the USSR with he way they are handling Ukraine and the possible outcomes?

    Steve

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    As some have pointed out; the dilemma is similar to the one that inspired the Melian dialogue by Thucydides.

    Of course; it can’t skip the mind that the Pelonponnesian War was marked by Athens letting passions rule their decision making which hurt its cause.

  • Drew Link

    “The obvious settlement is one in which Ukraine concedes Crimea, which is already a fait accompli, as well as Eastern Ukraine to Russia along with a pledge to never join NATO. That would be a bitter pill, indeed, for Zelensky. But he’s more-or-less made the NATO pledge already and Crimea was gone years ago.”

    The essential point I made a week ago. What’s done is done, and it is highly unlikely Ukraine can win. But I think steve is correct – and I guess Dave – that it is Ukraine’s decision to make. I think we have a moral obligation to help them facilitate their defense if they so choose, because we convinced them to disarm years ago and put a carrot out.

    To repeat a point I also made about a week ago, I think only two “positive” things can come from this. First, that NATO nations need to wake up and realize this isn’t tiddly winks – act in unity with all pulling their weight. The second is a lesson I’m not sure we will learn. Rich but unserious nations who do not act strategically and realistically (energy independence, economic strength, strategic materials control, etc) because they wish to dabble in the magical and childlike thinking of environmentalists, wokesters, or opportunistic politicians/large corporate will learn some hard lessons from time to time.

  • Drew Link

    How timely. An unserious nation:

    American taxpayers pay members of the House of Representatives $174,000 a year, and for that we expect them to give us something in return, something beneficial to American interests and American citizens. There is plenty for House members to work on these days, what with the war in Ukraine, Biden’s handlers’ looming Iran deal that enriches Russia even more than skyrocketing gas prices in the U.S. already have, out-of-control inflation, and more. And you can rest assured that Congress is hard at work on the issues that are of vital importance to the well-being and future of the American people: on Friday, the House passed the Crown Act, a bill prohibiting discrimination based on hair.

    It’s all about (you guessed it) racism. The bill is designed to ensure that, in the words of the Associated Press, “black people who wear hairstyles like Afros, cornrows or tightly coiled twists” do not have to endure “bias in society, school and the workplace.” Now, if a tony restaurant opts not to hire the fellow with his green hair fashioned into spikes as a maître d’, “such discrimination is a violation of federal civil rights law.”

    Rep. Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-The Past), the chief sponsor of this urgently needed piece of legislation, explained that “there are folks in this society who think because your hair is kinky, it is braided, it is in knots or it is not straightened blonde and light brown, that you somehow are not worthy of access. Well, that’s discrimination.” Yeah, I guess it would be if that sort of thing really happened, but it seems as if Bonnie Watson Coleman is living in 1952, not 2022, and enough members of the House agreed with her to pass this prime example of legislative irrelevancy, 235 to 189. Fourteen Republicans voted in favor, including (you guessed it again) Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney. If it passes the Senate, Old Joe Biden has (yes, you guessed it a third time) said he would sign it into law.

    Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) injected a note of sanity in the proceedings when he said: “This is what the Democrats are focused on. Fourteen months of chaos and we’re doing a bill on hair.”

    I realize politicians are going to be politicians. But real live people had to vote these clowns in. An unserious nation, indeed.

  • Zachriel Link

    Drew: Now, if a tony restaurant opts not to hire the fellow with his green hair fashioned into spikes as a maître d’, “such discrimination is a violation of federal civil rights law.”

    The law only applies “if that hair texture or that hairstyle is commonly associated with a particular race or national origin”. It’s intended to close a hole in anti-discrimination law .

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