Will This Be Enough?

For years I have been saying that Donald Trump was not a good guy. For some that was too much; for others not nearly enough. Now a jury in a civil trial has found Donald Trump liable for defamation and sexual abuse. James Fanelli and Corinne Ramey report at the Wall Street Journal:

A federal jury found Donald Trump liable to E. Jean Carroll for battery and defamation and ordered him to pay $5 million in damages, after a civil trial in which the columnist alleged the former president raped her in a Manhattan department store nearly 30 years ago.

The jury, following a two-week civil trial, didn’t find that Mr. Trump committed rape but found it more likely than not that he sexually abused Ms. Carroll in a dressing room of Bergdorf Goodman, sometime around 1996. Jurors also found that Mr. Trump defamed Ms. Carroll in comments he made denying her allegations, which she first made publicly in 2019.

Here’s my question: will this be enough to convince his supporters not to support his running for re-election in 2024? At Just Security Ryan Goodman and Norman L. Eisen remark:

The unanimous jury verdict that has turned Donald Trump from an alleged sexual assaulter into a proven one may create political shockwaves if recent history is any guide. As numerous empirical studies have shown, the American public has come to view sexual assault as a form of abusing power that can disqualify a perpetrator from holding public office. Trump may suffer significant political damage from this new majoritarian understanding.

In November 2017, 61% of voters – including 56% of men and a nontrivial margin of white men (50-43) and white women (55-37) – said then-President Trump should be impeached and removed from office if he were proven to have engaged in “sexual harassment,” according to a Quinnipiac poll. That overall support – the eye popping number of 61% – was higher than any poll tracking public support for impeachment and removal from office for the scandalous conduct in Trump’s first and second impeachments (see Five Thirty-Eight’s complete collection of surveys for the first and second impeachment). What’s more, Quinnipiac asked only about sexual harassment not sexual assault in the case of Trump. The latter, which is also the core crime in the E. Jean Carroll verdict, would have presumably produced even greater levels of support for removal from office.

The Quinnipiac poll was not alone.

A December 2017 Public Policy Polling survey found 53% of voters thought Trump should resign because of the “allegations” of sexual harassment against him, and another Quinnipiac poll in December 2017 found that 50% of voters already thought Trump should resign because he had “been accused of sexual harassment and sexual assault by multiple women.” (See appendix below for the exact wording and results of each of these surveys.)

concluding:

With #MeToo translated into the political arena, many Americans have shown they are not willing to support a candidate for elected office who has committed sexual assault – with the understanding that such a severe abuse of power is simply disqualifying for holding a position of public trust. Time will tell if the E. Jean Carroll sexual assault verdict has the effect that a large majority of Americans said they wanted in 2017, namely, to deny the presidency to Trump if the allegation that he had engaged in such abominable conduct was proven. It now has been.

If not what would?

8 comments… add one
  • TastyBits Link

    Let me get this straight: A woman claimed she was raped by Trump. A jury determined that was a lie, but Trump defamed her by claiming it was a lie.

    For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.

  • Jan Link

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

    New York created the new law for Ms. Carroll, Reid Hoffman paid for the legal costs, and Ms. Carroll made her sketchy accusations of something, from sometime, that wasn’t certain to have happened. There were no witnesses to the claimed events, there was no evidence the event took place, there was nothing to indicate Ms. Carroll or Mr. Trump were even in the same place at the same time.

    However, the judge in the case permitted the presentation of possibility, then blocked President Trump from speaking about the case, and then instructed the jury to consider that Ms Carroll’s claims may have indeed taken place, at some point – although no evidence exists and no one knows when, not even Ms Carroll

    This was a piece from a conservative web site. However, no matter the ideology, the points are well taken, in that Carroll seemed more of an opportunist, seeking attention and $$, in her claims of rape, especially being quoted afterwards as saying “rape is sexy.”

    The Powerline blog, when analyzing the results of this rape case trial, further concluded it made no difference whether Trump testified in person or not, because he would have been found guilty of abuse no matter what, in such a hostilely-charged environment. I personally think people, though, are suffering from TDS fatigue, which includes being subjected to a justice system bent on putting Trump in jail, in order to keep him away from the presidency in 2024. One has only to remember how Trump’s phone call, questioning Biden’s corruption in Ukraine, with Zelensky seemed to justify impeachment proceedings. Now, when Trump is undergoing multiple sketchy indictments – right before an election that has him leading in the polls — why is this not considered “election obstruction” like it was with the Zelensky phone call?

    Also, compare when a young female staffer claimed Biden sexually assaulted her, telling her Mom and friends about the event, how this case was treated – no headlines, no trial. It’s becoming laughable, after one cries, to see such a two-tiered type of justice is being played out before our very eyes. This may be why a large portion of the public process these never-ending Trump charges and trials as more abominable than any conduct Trump is said to have been engaged in.

  • Jan Link

    Tasty, you just can’t make this stuff up – someone is paying a liar, tons of money for something he claimed not to have done, while she couldn’t even remember when it was done. But, he nevertheless is called an abuser for calling out her lies. The world is indeed upside down!

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  • Andy Link

    I don’t think it will change anything with Trump’s support. People decided long ago what kind of man Trump is, and his supporters will forgive most any sin, and his detractors will never give him credit him for anything positive.

  • TastyBits Link

    @jan

    He is an obnoxious New York asshole, and in NYC, he has been a media entity for the past 50 years. With the exception of abortion, he is basically a liberal Democrat.

    His crime is that he is not a politician, and he does not know when to keep his mouth shut.

  • CStanley Link

    I have no illusions about Trump being a good guy- he’s clearly sleazy when it comes to personal morality, particularly with women. I know there’s a small minority of his supporters who don’t see that, but by and large everyone knows and accepts this and for various reasons it just doesn’t matter -for instance, when we’re forced to either vote for the guy who violates his marriage vows or the people who are selling out our country. It’s a terrible predicament to make these choices and yet we have to do so.

    So no, this legal decision does not matter. Even more than that though. I’m stunned that anyone. particularly an intelligent person like Dave, could take it seriously as the case was such a farce.

  • I’ve served on several juries and my experience has been that jurors conscientiously do their best to follow the law as it’s been explained to them without political calculations. Maybe it’s different now but I suspect that jurors are still trying to do their best.

    I think that ordinary people are better than politicians or the media.

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