I found this interview by Brendan O’Neill at Spiked of Batya Ungar-Sargon, deputy opinion editor at Newsweek, refreshing. First, to place Ms. Ungar-Sargon on the political spectrum:
Batya Ungar-Sargon: I consider myself a left-wing populist. Routinely, people on the left would say that I’m a conservative and that the points I make are conservative talking points. I always laughed at this because, first of all, I don’t think ‘conservative’ is an insult. People expect you to act like somebody just called you fat.
In a way that hearkens back to one of my earliest posts here at The Glittering Eye. Because such statements are almost always subjective, they’re also almost always off target. Most people identify themselves as moderates because they’re in the center of their universes. However, when you analyze their views according to some objective standard, it may turn out quite differently than they might anticipate. Every year or so I check my own views over at The Political Compass and gosh dern it I’m actually centrist—almost smack dab in the middle.
I don’t know what Ms. Ungar-Sargon’s political views are but for that reason she probably doesn’t have a very clear notion of where she fits into the political spectrum.
Here’s an interesting exchange:
O’Neill: Do the elites really believe in the green agenda? Or do they just benefit from it?
Ungar-Sargon: I think they definitely believe it. I don’t think you can look at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, for example, and not see somebody who is deeply sincere. The only thing that makes me think that they don’t believe it is the private jets. If you believed so deeply in man-made climate change, surely the first thing you would do is ban private jets. But on the whole I do think they believe it. It would be very hard to pull off at this scale if they didn’t.
The way the elites think of the economy is very related to green ideology. They picture an economy in which the top 20 per cent keeps making over $100,000 a year and lives in nice neighbourhoods and nice cities. All production is done in China. All service-industry jobs are performed by slave-wage Venezuelans brought in by cartels. And everybody making under $100,000 a year – who used to be the working class – is on universal basic income. That’s the view that a lot of so-called progressives consciously or unconsciously have of their ideal economic system.
Of course, this fits right into the green movement. You can’t have a middle class without cheap, affordable fuel and energy. And climate activists don’t believe in cars, they don’t believe in trucks, they don’t believe in farming. They don’t believe in the jobs that we actually rely on to survive. They’ve essentially given up on America. They’re definitely not proud of America, they’re ashamed of it. They hate conservatives, religious people, Republicans, people who voted for Trump. To them, those people are anathema to the good life.
The green movement just fits so neatly into this worldview. We’re outsourcing the dirty jobs to China, so we can forget about the CO2 emissions. At the same time, we’re happy to sentence the people who do those jobs to impoverishment. It’s an incredibly dark and elitist worldview.
Of course the environment doesn’t care where the emissions are produced. If human action is the primary driver of climate change, it doesn’t make any difference whether that action is taken in the United States, China, or Brazil. In time it will spread across the entire world.
I honestly don’t know if that’s what today’s progressives believe. It certainly doesn’t comport with my idea of progress, indeed, it sounds a lot more like totalitarianism to me.
The greatest irony of all is that while a tremendous number of those in the top 20% of income earners, the so-called “creative class”, are completely expendable. Those are the jobs that will be replaced by artificial intelligence. They can be replaced but plumbers and UPS drivers can’t.
Of course, this fits right into the green movement. You can’t have a middle class without cheap, affordable fuel and energy. And climate activists don’t believe in cars, they don’t believe in trucks, they don’t believe in farming. They don’t believe in the jobs that we actually rely on to survive. They’ve essentially given up on America. They’re definitely not proud of America, they’re ashamed of it. They hate conservatives, religious people, Republicans, people who voted for Trump. To them, those people are anathema to the good life
That’s a very clear analysis of how most climate change, progressively-inclined people I know think and relate to this country and the lifestyles and viewpoints they don’t like or endorse.
I honestly don’t know if that’s what today’s progressives believe. It certainly doesn’t comport with my idea of progress, indeed, it sounds a lot more like totalitarianism to me.
It is totalitarianism. The tolerance for those outside their sphere of thinking is narrow and harsh. Fertilizers, fossil fuels, respect for individual rights, the American flag, acknowledging the victimized over the criminals, crediting meritocracy for workplace advancement, honoring all religious preferences are topics and beliefs that are not up for orderly discussion in many leftist groups. If you throw in a conservative bent, or view MAGA republicans as a needed brake on big government’s overreach, the left’s rhetorical venom becomes unhinged
” And climate activists don’t believe in cars, they don’t believe in trucks, they don’t believe in farming. They don’t believe in the jobs that we actually rely on to survive. ”
Straw man. While I am sure you can find someone, somewhere who actually believes that, it is not representative. The idea that they would think all jobs under $100,000 should be done by Venezuelans is just weird. Have never heard anyone say that or even read it somewhere. They probably hate Trump and Republicans just as much as conservatives hate Democrats and Biden I will grant you that part.
Steve
I believe painting with a broad brush is the fallacy you are looking for, steve. As usual, you minimize what is going on. Its far more prevalent than you want to admit simply because the far-out ideas are held by zealots, those most likely to organize and act. Look at BLM, Antifa, race hustlers, the green zealots, Proud Boys………
Drew- Have you ever heard anyone say every job below $100k should be held by people from Venezuela? Bet not.
Steve
Drew and Jan ran up the hill
to fetch a pail of water
Drew fell down and broke his crown
and Jan came tumbling after