At The Hill international relations prof Andrew Latham warns about Ukraine’s meager prospects for victory in its war with Russia:
In professional journals, on influential websites and across the full spectrum of media outlets, observers, analysts and pundits alike continue to inform us that, yes, there is a way for Ukraine to prevail over Russia, expelling the latter from all of its territory, including Crimea.
One might claim that these arguments are being advanced because the facts on the ground warrant them; because the shifting geopolitical and battlefield realities clearly indicate that the military balance is tipping in Ukraine’s favor. As Ukraine acquires more weapons (and more sophisticated weapons), it will inevitably achieve the kind of tactical advantages that will propel it first to operational and then to strategic breakthroughs, culminating in total victory. All that’s required is one more mobilization of Ukrainian youth, one more tranche of Western financial aid, one more delivery of American, French or British wonder weapons.
But the strategic, operational and tactical realities of the war simply don’t support any version of this argument. Ukraine is not prevailing at the tactical level — if anything, Russia’s advantage at there is growing rather than diminishing, as Russia outpaces Ukraine in adapting to the evolving realities of the battlefield. The net result? Russia not only remains capable of sustaining the kind of defense-in-depth that has completely frustrated all Ukrainian offensive efforts, but is increasingly able to mount successful offensives in places like Avdiivka.
In short, Russia is winning the war and there is little to suggest that any foreseeable political, economic, tactical or technological developments are likely to alter that fundamental reality. So why are we seeing arguments about an ultimate Ukrainian battlefield triumph, in the face of all the devastatingly contradictory evidence?
Well, applying Occam’s razor — the principle that “other things being equal, simpler explanations are generally better than more complex ones” — I would suggest that the delusional belief that there is a pathway to total victory for Ukraine is based less on evolving military or geopolitical realities than on a simple psychological dynamic, one best summed up in the concept of “commitment escalation.”
According to this concept, individuals or groups sometimes exhibit a tendency to persist with a failing argument, even as that argument becomes increasingly untenable in light of the facts. This behavior is marked above all by an adherence to prior commitments — sunk costs, as the economists might put it — regardless of their present plausibility or rationality. It is a psychological dysfunction.
I arrived at that conclusion well over a year ago and I think that any rational reasonably well-informed individual would. What has transpired since is the futile loss of thousands of Ukrainian lives and the destruction of billions of dollars worth of property.
The challenge today is not how to produce a total Ukrainian victory but how to avoid total Ukrainian defeat. That’s why I support continued U. S. support for Ukraine. I also emphasize that we have a moral obligation to ensure that out aid is used properly, something the Ukrainians have amply demonstrated is necessary.
Futile? Russia would have taken all of Ukraine if it had not been resisted. Anyway, the odds have always been against Ukraine, but then a lot of people (wonder if this guy was one) thought Russia would roll over Ukraine in a matter of days. Too early to call still I think.
BTW, I am sure you noticed that conservatisms leading journalist interviewed Putin. Since you are interested in Russia seems like that’s notable. Of note, Putin didnt really talk that much about NATO. It was mostly based upon his (distorted) view of history and belief that Ukraine has no right to exist and it should be part of Russia. Of course that also means he should own Poland and Russia too.
Also, was Putin trying to make a joke when he said stop supplying Ukraine with arms and the war will be over? Of course it would as they could then rule Ukraine.
Steve
I’ve never listened to Tucker Carlson. Probably never will. Unlike some I welcomed his interviewing Putin. Based on the transcripts I’ve read it wasn’t quite as fawning as I might have expected. No real surprises. AFAICT Putin just said what he’s been saying for some time which is, basically, the Russian point of view.
I agree with Mearsheimer. I don’t believe that Russia is interested in “ruling Ukraine” but rather to “wreck it”.
I also think that we have made basic mistakes and are sort of stuck with doubling down on them. One of the basic mistakes: that Russia would accept being expelled from Crimea peaceably.
This post could be renamed “double down”.
When reading the article; one thing that strikes me; it makes the assumption that Ukraine has unlimited manpower.
If one makes an alternate assumption — that Ukrainian runs out of man to fight likely occurs before any other potential decisive gamechangers occur (Russian economy imploding, Russian manpower running out, Ukraine running out of weapons, a decisive military engagement); then one is left with an alternate decision making tree. Ukraine and the West shouldn’t prepare themselves for a long war, but should focus on breaking the stalemate now. Unless the plan is to send NATO soldiers to do the fighting (say Jan 2025 after a Democrat is elected)?
“breaking the stalemate now”
Copy that. It should be abundantly clear to the world by now that the united States will not go the distance. It’s clear to Putin as well.
There are signs though of European resolve firming up. Especially Germany and now Sweden, doubling down on war production.
A quick look at the map of the Baltic Sea reveals the Russian oblast of Kaliningrad just across the pond from Stockholm. My cousins are beginning to understand their position and vulnerabilities as a new NATO member. My hopes are that if NATO troops come, there won’t be too many Americans because they won’t be needed.
“My hopes are that if NATO troops come, there won’t be too many Americans because they won’t be needed.”
Or there won’t be many Americans left to fight.
Left unsaid is the real odds that the type of escalation required to break the stalemate in Ukraines favor would likely be very dangerous to Russia — to the point where they likely consider the use of the strategic weapons (lets not footsie around, their nukes). Lets say a NATO force of 250K troops go in, with the latest weapons. NATO doctrine says to strike deep into Russia at their military armaments capacity, command and control, etc. Or NATO could send 20K troops to man trenches, get shelled and bombed to maintain a stalemate?
Someone should write whether this war is a “Kobayashi Maru” situation.
At this point it is clear that Russia will win the war and impose the terms of surrender. Putin and other Russian leaders have hinted that they will annex all the historically Russian oblasts. That would all of the regions east of the Dnieper, Kiev, and Odessa and the whole Black Sea coast up to Transnistria.
Whatever remains of Ukraine will be denazified, demilitarized, and excluded from NATO.
We have seen that US/NATO equipment, tactics and doctrine, and our flag officers are grossly over rated. It is good to find out now, before we start the war with China.
Russia is coming out of this immensely more powerful. They and China have established themselves as the anti-colonial pole and leaders among the Global South. America’s position in the world has been fatally undermined. The long descent into irrelevance has begun.
PS Putin’s understanding of Ukrainian and European history is correct. It is our own Ruling Caste that is deluded.
Ukrainian and Russian history is overshadowed by the Holodomor, Ukrainians are not fighting and dying for the cause of facism. They are Stalin’s Jews.
They fight to survive.
But, correct, the American empire is on the line here, and with it, America’s greatest strength, without which it cannot survive, the status of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency, if it fails, we all fall with it.
steve,
It’s funny how 95% of everything I hear about Tucker Carlson comes from liberals. Streisand effect is alive and well.
“Of note, Putin didn’t talk that much about NATO. It was mostly based upon his (distorted) view of history and belief that Ukraine has no right to exist and it should be part of Russia. ”
Well, yes, the point is he would never allow territory that he believes to either be part of Russia or rightfully in Russia’s sphere to be a member of a hostile military alliance. The implication is so obvious he doesn’t need to spell it out.
As far as US policy is concerned, I think we need to support Ukraine.
As I’ve said all along, I think the goal of Ukraine “winning” – meaning decisively beating Russia and taking back its territory – was always a dubious prospect. That illusion seems to have finally been shattered, but allowing Ukraine to defend itself is still worthwhile as long as Ukrainians are still willing to fight.
But we should be honest with them that our support isn’t unlimited and about the prospects for what they can realistically accomplish. Unless there is some future black swan, the prospects for a decisive victory on Ukraine’s terms are low. That means either some kind of armistice, if one can be achieved, or continued defensive attritional warfare.
Andy- Dave always emphasized NATO forcing Russia to react. Listening to Putin, and i will confess I zoned out a lot, it sounded to me like he wanted to go after Ukraine even if NATO didnt exist. What mattered is re-establishing the empire.
The first American journalist to talk with Putin since the war started and mentioning him is due to the Streisand effect? Maybe I read the wrong right wing sites. Read Dreher regularly for years. They worshiped Carlson. Breitbart off and on for years. Tucker got lots of coverage. Even at libertarian sites like Cowen’s site he got lots of mention amongst the commenters where they lean heavily to the right.
Steve
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-raises-elderly-army-serviceman-70-deemed-eligible-russia-ukraine-1814670
Putin draft age 70 years? WTF?
steve,
It’s analogous to Taiwan – China has very similar revanchist attitudes towards Taiwan as Putin/Russia does toward Ukraine.
The difference is that US policymakers understand that if we started dangling the idea of a formal military alliance between the US and Taiwan, that would start China down the road to attacking Taiwan before that could be realized.
A very similar dynamic happened with Ukraine, except that we did not understand that Russian and specifically Putin’s view toward Ukraine was essentially the same as China’s toward Taiwan. Dangling the prospect of a future military alliance without much of a plan to consummate it was, at best, foolish.
Andy: China has very similar revanchist attitudes towards Taiwan as Putin/Russia does toward Ukraine.
The difference is that the Ukraine is recognized as an independent nation under international law, and Russia explicitly promised to respect Ukrainian sovereignty. Contrariwise, Taiwan is not recognized as an independent nation under international law, nor has China promised to respect Taiwanese sovereignty. That makes the war Russo-Ukrainian War an invasion, but a war over Taiwan arguably a civil war.
John Mearsheimer just posted a lecture related to the topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=takl4fei1pQ
Highly recommended, it makes interesting points about great power relations and conflicts, how great power conflicts are very dangerous given their nature to escalate (or “commitment escalation”). I like his reflection on “just war” theory, international law, morality and how it is in tension and lives with great power conflicts from a realist point of view.
Zachriel,
And yet, the US has committed to directly fight for Taiwan’s independence but not Ukraine’s.
Taiwan is an independent nation and is only not formally recognized as such for a set of unusual historical circumstances combined with a strong desire by all parties over the last several decades to not upset the status quo. And part of that is countries understand that attempting to make Taiwan’s de facto independent status de jure would also precipitate a Chinese attack.
And China’s attitude toward Taiwan would be no different if the rest of the world recognized Taiwan as a sovereign state.
In short, the legalities are irrelevant to what these countries will actually do and their justifications for doing them.
Finally, Taiwan has been independent for 75 years. To call a Chinese invasion of Taiwan a “civil war” because of the lack of formal diplomatic recognition is absurd, especially when it is Chinese bullying and China’s threats of invasion that is the only thing stopping countries from recognizing the reality that Taiwan is an independent state.
Andy: And yet, the US has committed to directly fight for Taiwan’s independence but not Ukraine’s.
The Taiwan Relations Act requires the U.S. to provide material and technical assistance for Taiwan’s self-defense, but not direct military intervention, which has always been kept ambiguous.
Joe Biden pledges to defend Taiwan
Dave Schuler: Joe Biden pledges to defend Taiwan
It wasn’t a binding commitment, certainly not on succeeding presidents. And it was walked back by the White House immediately afterwards. It does add to the strategic ambiguity, though.
BS. The only ambiguity it introduces is about Biden’s capacity to be president.