There’s an interesting sort of Point/Counterpoint going on at the Washington Post on the subject of income inequality between Scott Winship and Jared Bernstein. There’s plenty in both of their points of view to make your eyes cross.
Scott Winship takes a pretty typical tack of the sort that used to be called “supply side economics”. Inequality isn’t really a problem; the real problem is slow growth:
Are American levels of inequality harmful? Some analysts claim that they hurt middle-class incomes or increase poverty. But child poverty is at an all-time low, and middle-class incomes are also at historic highs. Across developed countries, those with higher inequality have slightly higher middle-class incomes and less poverty.
Others argue — based on mobility measures constructed to look worse when inequality rises — that higher inequality causes lower economic mobility or leads to political inequality. In fact, research claiming that the rich get their way in Congress over other voters has been debunked; in truth, across most issues, rich, middle-class and poor Americans have similar policy preferences. And in the United States, mobility has remained flat while inequality has risen over the past generation. Areas of the United States with more income concentration at the top have no worse mobility than areas with low inequality. The same is true across countries — the best research indicates that low-inequality Sweden is no more mobile than the United States.
Left unstated are what are to me the gravest problems with our present high level of income inequality. The first is that if you subscribe to the beliefs of the Founding Fathers you must believe that a country divided between a very, very wealthy 1% and a much less wealthy 99% (or, even more problematic to my way of thinking, a .1% with more than 20% of the total wealth rather than the 6% they held in 1975), will inevitably lead to tyranny. The temptation to exploit and wealth and power to gain more wealth and power is irresistible. Very high achievers will have much less highly achieving offspring but they will seek to have those offspring maintain their wealth and power without the achievement.
But even more serious to me is that’s just not the sort of country I want to live in. I’m concerned about social inequality following wealth inequality.
But I found Jared Bernstein’s views even more distressing. Here’s an example:
Democrats tend to think in terms of tax and transfer policies, moving resources — money, food, housing services, help with child care or subsidies for low-wage jobs — from the rich to the poor. Such redistribution through the tax code is absolutely called for and has been highly successful in reducing poverty and boosting opportunity. Democrats, including President Obama and Hillary Clinton, have also embraced tax increases on the wealthy: an excellent place to start. But the current set of ideas is too limited. More broad-based tax increases will be necessary just to maintain our current set of inequality-reducing policies as our population ages.
I realize that’s what many Democrats like to think they believe but based on their actions over three generations what do they actually believe? They believe in helping the poor by paying the rich or the nearly rich. Consider how federal money is actually disbursed:

Which of the slices in the pie chart above reflect direct transfer payments to the poor? None of them do. Some small proportion of total Social Security payments goes to the elder poor. That’s about it. The payments in “healthcare spending” go to providers; the payments classified as “education” pay teachers and administrators (in Chicago most teachers and administrators are in the top income quintile). And so on. Unless you think that “interest on the debt” is being paid to the poor.
In other words both political parties now subscribe to something like John Kenneth Galbraith’s memorable description of supply-siders: they want to feed the sparrows by feeding more oats to the horses.
The same pattern is seen at the state and local level. Spending doesn’t go to direct transfer payments to the poor. It goes to healthcare providers, teachers, police officers, firefighters (in Chicago the typical police officer or firefighter earns in the six figures), and grantees who, presumably, help the poor (with very little oversight). The evidence that all of this spending actually helps the poor is weak.
Consequently, I don’t think that increasing union power (one of Mr. Bernstein’s pet reforms) or increasing the taxes paid by the poor (astonishingly enough, one of Mr. Winship’s) will bring income and wealth equality back into a zone that is more consistent with historical levels.
Some of their prescriptions, e.g. Mr. Winship’s desire to reduce the number of low-skilled immigrants and Mr. Bernstein’s desire to negotiate “trade deals that ‘prioritize the interests of workers and communities’ over those of multinational corporations are things I’ve recommended here. I’d do a couple of other things as well.
First, stop subsidizing the rich. If your preferred policies result in more income and wealth for the ultra-rich, pair them with highly targeted Pigouvian taxes.
Second, recognize that size itself is a problem. Big companies hire fewer people per dollar of earnings than small ones and pay much higher salaries to top management, exacerbating income inequality. Stop enacting laws that benefit large companies to the detriment of small ones. Break up large companies that have abused monopoly power.
Most importantly, stop making up airy stories about what you believe in. As Shakespeare put it, suit the action to the word.
Update
Scott Winship, author of one of the pieces cited above, responds in comments to clear up some of misconceptions about what he wrote.
You really think Bezos will allow a real debate on the subject in his paper? Fat chance. Of course it’s mostly the same-old same-old, along with a couple of things that are pure nonsense.
I love the idea of taxing poor people into wealth – tax something if you want less of it, they always say! That’s almost as good an idea as unionizing Uber drivers – you know, the ones that are about to be put out of work by Uber’s driverless fleet? Awesome stuff, guys!
I’m not at all surprised this is the best they are allowed to do. As Paul Anka so memorably put it, “That’s just the fucking way it is.”
If any of you remember me and my ignorant rants, you already know that I am a teamsters milkman, 36 years paid into central states pension fund. Yes, I cashed regular paychecks along the way.
Relevant to income inequality, many conservatives penned articles eight years ago that the “labor friendly Obama administration” would bail out our struggling central states pension fund. Never happened, not even with Dems controlling all three branches. We were fully funded before 2008 and the market collapse, but not being Goldman Sachs we were not eligible for any TARP money. So now, our fund is projected to be insolvent in eight years. Not only is our retirement shot, but our company is unable to hire new employees because they get a better retirement package elsewhere while the company is still paying into a doomed fund. My point is that no Democrat is more likely to help the working class than any republican, despite their rhetoric.
Barrack Obama: “The Sorrow of the Working Man”
That’s a perfect example of the point I was making. I know that Jared Bernstein wants to think that Democrats are friends of working people. It ain’t necessarily so. The retort to that is always “but Republicans are even worse.” That’s cold comfort.
Peripherally, you’ve also touched on a point that’s being ignored. The policies adopted to address the consequences of the Great Recession have damaged retired people pretty seriously. If the United States, like Switzerland and some other OECD countries, dives into negative interest rates, that will get worse.
Just for S&G I pulled up SSA’s annual report for SSI, a direct federal payment to the poor disabled blind and aged. Total for the year is estimated to be about 55 billion with about 5.2 billion for the aged poor.
According to HHS’s Office of Family Assistance, about 31 billion was sent to the states to match and use for TANF (aka welfare) whle according to the USDA, about 85 billion was for SNAP (aka food stamps). BTW, who benefits more from SNAP, recipients or the producer/processor/retailer?
If it will help the economy I will die as I am a Christian, but It bothers me to let my wife die also, as she depends upon me, and is my charge.
walt, keep in mind that’s out of a budget of $3.5 trillion or less than 5% of the total budget.
Which goes along with your point that when it comes to income inequality, the lions share of subsidies are being given to the rich and keeping civil servants in the middle class not the poor. I should have added your point, my regrets.
Gray Shambler, don’t give them the satisfaction, live long and continue to remind the party that cares of their failures.
The retort to that is always “but Republicans are even worse.†That’s cold comfort.
It’s hard to be worse than Obama has been, who made certain Warren Buffet & co. came out ahead, no matter how many of the rest of us took it in the ass.
If it will help the economy I will die as I am a Christian, but It bothers me to let my wife die also, as she depends upon me, and is my charge.
Fuck that. (And I’m hoping you’re joking, but in 2016 it’s impossible to tell the jokes from the serious statements. HRC vs The Donald for POTUS? You’re joking!) It would be one thing if some of us dying would help everyone out, but all that’s likely to happen if you die, or I die, or we die, is that more will go to the world’s financiers. If someone has to die to improve the economy, I vote for them.
National Razor Party, 2016.
SNAP! HA!
You can buy a bottle of water or a can of Red Bull. You can buy a bag of ice, or spend it all on Mt Dew but you cannot buy a rotisserie chicken as that is deli prepared and a waste of Govt. money on prep. Of course it’s the agribusiness industry (Conagra ) that lobbies this program!
Hi. FYI, you just made up out of whole cloth that I advocate raising taxes on the poor. I can’t see how you would interpret anything I wrote in that way. I proposed eliminating corporate taxes and then reforming individual taxes so that at the end, the distribution of individual taxes is the same as the distribution of individual and corporate taxes was together. If you click the link in the piece it takes you to a longer essay I’ve written that fleshes that out. The idea is that corporate taxes are inefficient vs individual taxes with the same distributional impact.
Jared comes closer to advocating higher taxes on the poor via his call for broader-based taxation.
(Also, the Founding Fathers were worried more about the tyranny of the majority–such as the non-rich–than they were about income or wealth concentration, not that that’s relevant for contemporary policy debate.)
Thank you for responding, Scott. If I misunderstood what you wrote, I apologize. Here’s what I was interpreting:
There are, of course, several ways of accomplishing that, depending on how “burden” is defined and, unless I missed it, you don’t define what you mean in the op-ed. I acknowledge that I did not click through. I took it as meaning “money as actually realized from the personal income tax” and, since most of the money realized from the personal income tax comes from the highest income earners, that would mean a substantial change in the balance there.
There are multiple ways of accomplishing that as well, for example, by decreasing the amount extracted from the highest income earners or increasing the amount extracted from middle and lower income earners.
We can’t pay for the government we have now (that’s what it means to run at a deficit) let alone decrease the amount paid by the highest income earners. There is no foreseeable amount of cutting that will accomplish that. Consequently, the most direct policy that will keep the burden among highest, middle, and lowest approximately the same would be by increasing the burden on the middle and lower income earners.
Again, if I misunderstood what you were suggesting, I apologize.
I agree with much of what you proposed. For example, I think that eliminating the corporate income tax makes economic sense and I’ve supported eliminating it for decades.
I interpret much of what was written in Federalist as about the aggregation and use of power and, as I wrote in my post, that’s what I’m worried about in the accruing of so much wealth and income to the wealthiest—that they’ll wield the power their wealth and income bring to gain more and ensure that their descendants maintain that wealth and income. In other words, it’s not the wealth and income per se, it’s the power that they bring that concerns me.
Here is a tidbit from real life, and how the issues facing businesses are daunting, not the ivory tower musings one often sees. And I posit that no politician has an answer, and looking to government is a fools errand.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-19/apple-demanding-cost-cuts-suppliers-after-30-plunge-orders-digitizes
So Apple wants 20% from suppliers. They won’t get it. But suppliers will go cost reduction hunting. Worker advocates will go nuts. Apple will get something. Will Apple seek price increases? Yes. Will the consumer pay more? Don’t know. Probably not. Will margins get eroded? Yes, contra the notion that producers are just pocketing profits. Anyone happy? No.
I’ve participated in Wal-Mart and Home Depot shoot offs. It’s no fun. It’s merciless. But don’t blame Wal-Mart. The consumer is demanding that price reduction, because incomes are nowhere, unless you are a government worker. And they are about to find out those pensions they have been counting on are an illusion. Those consumer pricing and cost reduction pressures are why manufacturers have gone running to China. There is only so much value engineering, adding features, or clever product enhancements you can do to a garden tool.
What has Obama done to fix this? What will Hillary do? What will any government or politician do? I heard today that the formerly great state of IL has more governmental units (to fund) than any other state in the country. Thats a deadweight loss, and the state is going broke. My suspicion is that the electorate is going vote in, once again, nationally and locally, the very people who have contributed to this mess. What that definition of insanity again……….?
In other Illinois news the CPS is about to impose a whopping tax increase. That’s on top of the whopping tax increase that the city imposed. How whopping? My taxes doubled from last year to this.
My taxes doubled from last year to this.
Funny, my actually went down last year. Here’s to innovation in Orange County, Florida’s trash collection service!
Is there any end to the taxes increases? You seem like a dedicated Chicagoan, but at some point anyone can break.