Their Own Facts

At Bloomberg Barry Ritholtz makes some very good points:

Consider the following data points. In a typical full employment economy, this is what you would expect to see:

— Robust wage growth;
— Rising consumer confidence;
— Record employment-to-population;
— Longer workweeks and more overtime;
— The chief executive officer survey showing confidence about the future;
— Rising quit rates as employees aggressively change jobs;
— Low and falling levels of people marginally attached to labor force;
— High and rising consumer spending;
— More household formations;
— Housing sales (for new and existing homes) are strong;

In many case, these measures are not where you might expect them to be in the 10th year of what is now the longest economic expansion in postwar history.

Why aren’t we seeing those things? Let’s consider some possibilities.

  1. We are. We just don’t know how to measure them.
  2. There are countervailing forces which even in an economy nearing full employment prevent them from emerging.
  3. Unemployment rate doesn’t tell enough of the story. The labor force participation rate is still too low for those other things to start happening.
  4. The statistics that are being used are carefully constructed to make the economists compiling them and the politicians who commission them look good.

I think that the answer is probably “all of the above” but I find the last one particularly appealing. Nobody wants to be the bearer of bad news. Or out of step with the smartest people in the field.

Another possibility is that neither Obama’s rather flat affect nor Trump’s highly mercurial approach has conveyed the confidence to managers or workers alike to take risks.

My general rule of thumb is that regardless of what the weatherman says it’s not raining until you see rain and people start behaving as though it were raining.

7 comments… add one
  • Gray Shambler Link

    Since unemployment rates are based on unemployment filing rates, I think the new reality is because of the success of diversity. Less and less of the undesirable Americans with an outdated Christian work ethic, and more with that pleasant, relaxed, music and film loving, “work’s not my thing” attitude.
    Work’s not the only way to get by, there’s mooching, having babies, dealing, stealing, mooching, jail, staying in school and dealing, mooching, having more babies, new world baby.

  • Roy Lofquist Link

    Or, maybe, how’s about lying with statistics?

    “In many case, these measures are not where you might expect them to be in the 10th year of what is now the longest economic expansion in postwar history.”

    Try second year, not tenth. The prior eight years, while technically not in recession, sure felt like they were. The only people cheering were the folks at the DNC.

  • The prior eight years, while technically not in recession, sure felt like they were.

    As I suggested in the body of the post, if people don’t act as though it were a recovery, it probably isn’t one.

    I think there’s a way to reconcile these two apparently contradictory experiences. Washington, DC and its environs, the counties containing state capitols, and certain other cities and their environs recovered. Much of the rest of the country did not materially recover, at least not until fairly recently.

    I would add that the separation between the equities markets and the economy is now almost complete. That is materially what it means when price to earnings increases as it has for the last couple of decades.

  • steve Link

    D is conspiracy theory territory. These are measurements that have been used for a long time, most of them well before the era of hpyerpartisanship. They are pretty straightforward. Unless the methodology has changed, they are still useful.

    “The prior eight years, while technically not in recession, sure felt like they were.”

    Because Obama was in charge. If Trump had been president they would have been the best years in history, for you. we have the same growth rates under Trump as we did with Obama, so if it felt like a recession then, it probably should now.

    “Washington, DC and its environs, the counties containing state capitols, and certain other cities and their environs recovered. ”

    So all of the stuff we heard about how wonderful it has been in Texas was wrong? Say it aint so.

    Steve

  • The birth/death ratio is too large a component in the estimate of the number employed to be reasonable. Basically, circumstances have changed but the model has not.

    So all of the stuff we heard about how wonderful it has been in Texas was wrong?

    It may come as a shock to you but there are cities in Texas, too. Of the cities that are doing well quite a number are in Texas. Forbes’s list of best performing cities basically conforms to the model I suggested and by far the greatest number of cities that are doing well are in Texas.

    But the prosperity isn’t spread evenly across the country. Many areas have barely recovered from the Great Recession. As of 2016 93% of counties had not recovered. As of 2018:

    Only the most affluent zip codes quickly recovered from the Great Recession and went on to rack up significant job gains, while the economies of the country’s most distressed communities continue to struggle, according to a new report released today.

    I don’t think that presidents have as much to do with that as you seem to.

  • steve Link

    AFAICT, the birth death numbers are used for employment numbers, not for much of what Ritholz cites, like consumer spending, house sales, etc. I also dont find it credible that it makes much difference over the time periods we have been talking about. It should be that much different for the Obama years vs the two Trump years. I also find it difficult to believe it makes a big difference between the Bush years and the present. So I think that Ritholz is citing useful metrics that we have used for a long time that should be reliable for the last 20 years or so, and he is correct that we arent seeing them support the claims of “bast economy ever!”

    “I don’t think that presidents have as much to do with that as you seem to.”

    I think I have made it clear over the years that presidents get too much credit and too much blame. Just found it funny that with economic numbers trending at the same rate under Obama the same as they are with Trump, the Obama years are viewed as the Great Depression and the Trump years as the Promised Land. Remember that one of you readers claims that under Trump wages are growing the fastest in the history of the world, or the last 50 years. Hard to remember with the level of hyperbole we get from Trump and the gang.

    Steve

  • The stepping-off place of Mr. Ritholtz’s post was the unemployment rate. The official unemployment rate is highly conditioned by the birth/death ratio. And it is incorrect that errors factor out over time. They can factor out, accumulate, or do neither. I think they’re accumulating. In addition it’s impossible to arrive at a realistic calculation of the actual unemployment rate without having a reasonably accurate estimate of the number in the working age population. We don’t have that. Present estimates could be off by as much 30%.

    My opinion is that presidents don’t matter as much as policies do. The trade policy with China sponsored first by Clinton and then by Bush has been terribly damaging to us. The policy was the problem not the particular president.

    Texas is booming because of increased oil production and low taxes. Those are policy issues.

    I think that trying to stimulate consumer spending is futile as a means of spurring economic growth these days. That’s why I’m skeptical about reductions in the personal income tax rates. We need more business investment. One way of promoting that is by reducing the tax on businesses (the optimum tax rate on business income is zero). I’ve been disappointed by the results of lower the business tax rate.

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