And none of the ones that are even remotely likely are particularly appealing. In a piece at The National Interest after giving a realist observation about war:
War is not like a Hollywood movie where the good guy always wins in the end. Civilization is coeval with conflict, not its Manichean opposite.
Serbian scholor Damjan Krnjević MiÅ¡ković outlines several possible scenarios for the outcome of Russia’s war against Ukraine. After noting the dichotomy between a Kissingerian view of the war with that of the Biden Administration:
This is evidently not the way the Biden administration and others in the West understand geopolitics, and it is certainly not the way they view the conflict with Russia over Ukraine. For them and their fellow travelers, the war is a black-and-white manifestation of a global struggle between the partisans of democracy and autocracy. This is, of course, an understandable emotional response, but it is hardly the prism through which American, and by extension, Western decisionmaking should be understood. In no way ought geopolitics be conflated with eschatology: championing supremacy in the name of exceptionalism in an era of unipolarity was hubristic enough; trying to impose a “rules-based international liberal order†in conditions of increasingly acrimonious multipolarity is even more so.
he makes this observation:
But the truth is—however uncomfortable it may be to accept—that Ukraine was and remains an object of great power relations and not a subject of international order. Indeed, it would be hard to argue persuasively that a country that depends almost entirely on the free guns, ammo, and reconnaissance supplied by foreign powers is either fully sovereign or fully independent, regardless of its regime type.
The scenarios are:
- Total victory for Ukraine, including the return of all Ukrainian lands by Russia, potentially including Crimea. This is the scenario being held out by Western (and Baltic) leaders.
- More or less permanent warfare which he refers to as “frozen conflict”—something like Syria.
- Edward Luttwak’s three point plan.
but what he sees as the most likely scenario is what he describes in his conclusion:
Thanks to the West’s munificence, Ukraine has been able to demonstrate that it can resist (but not overcome) aggression; now the West must be clear that its priority is coming to terms on some sort of settlement. This will almost certainly require Kyiv to accept a compromise—an unpalatable word to the Ukraine-must-win-at-all-costs faction. This should not be interpreted as necessarily requiring Ukraine to formally sign a legal document that cedes a portion of its lands in perpetuity: we know from the conflict over Karabakh in the South Caucasus that a heroic reversal is possible, and we can point to the unresolved Kosovo case as evidently remaining a point of contention between those who champion territorial integrity as a cornerstone principle of international law and those who continue to pressure Serbia, a UN member state, into “accepting the reality on the ground.†The point is that the onset of such European conflicts and their subsequent trajectories had less to do with respecting the basic tenets of the UN Charter than geopolitical ebb and flow coupled with shifts in the balance of power.
Perhaps this maximalist faction would have more luck in convincing its recalcitrant Western allies, not to mention the rest of the world, of the sincerity of its intentions were it not for the fact that Ukraine is hardly a democracy in the usual Western understanding of the term: Freedom House calls it a “partly free†and “transitional or hybrid regime†while Transparency International ranks it as the most corrupt country in Europe.
Democracy or not, if this conflict goes on much longer, Ukraine runs the imminent risk of becoming irredeemably dysfunctional once it comes to an end—say, the Bosnia of Eastern Europe—and Russia could end up as China’s Belarus or what the Warsaw Pact states were to the Soviet Union. How could either of these scenarios, to say nothing of both, possibly be in the interest of the West?
or, said another way, not all territorial integrities are created equal. BTW, Mr. Luttwak sees Germany as the primary impediment to what he characterizes as a “solidly satisfactory outcome”:
Unlike the victory lobby, I see the makings of a solidly satisfactory outcome in the present situation, so long as enough aid reaches Ukraine to keep up its strength — and that means reading the riot act to double-dealing Chancellor Olaf Scholz — while vigorously proposing a peace plan. After all, the two sides have already reached agreement on the broadest issues: Zelenskyy has already stated that Ukraine will not join Nato and the Russian side has already accepted Ukraine’s entry into the European Union.
which I think is certainly correct as far as it goes. I’m not sure that’s a likely let alone inevitable outcome. At this point it appears to me that the most likely outcome is “wrecking Ukraine” which perhaps not coincidentally is what John Mearsheimer predicted 15 years ago.
There is one thing that could restart negotiations and perhaps get the Russians to let go much of what have gained in Ukraine voluntarily….. if US/NATO is willing to turn NATO to a “closed membership”, i.e. permanently ruling out new members (including Finland) without Russia’s consent, and do this in writing.
Its not a course I necessarily recommend. But it is an option.
If the goal is to recreate the Russian empire how would keeping Ukraine out of NATO achieve that? You need control of Ukraine so that it cannot preferentially trade or work with the EU or any other entity. If you didnt want Ukraine to join NATO you could have just made it clear they had no need to join NATO instead of doing the opposite.
Steve
Steve
The reality is that Russia is winning and will achieve its goals, whatever they are. It could be anything from the annexation of the predominantly ethnic Russian oblasts to annexation of the entire Ukraine. But Russia will succeed.
Russia’s long term goal is to bring all ethnic Russians back into the Russian Federation.
Europe is now committing suicide. If they do not change course, the EU economy will collapse. Russia can live comfortably without Europe, but Europe cannot survive without Russia. If there are any European patriots left, they must find a way to separate from the US.
The US military is hopelessly obsolete, but the clowns running it don’t know it. Both China and Russia have achieved technological superiority over the US. (Has North Korea?) This the result of wasting 30 years fighting Islamic peasants at the cost of some $7 trillion. We could have had a base on Mars with that money and a Moon base and a Disney space wheel.
The whole West is in rapid decline, if not collapse. Just llok at the clowns running the show. The US has a senile pedophile for President and a common street whore as backup. Britain has drunkards and imbeciles as Prime Minister and Foreign Minister. God only knows what lunatics are running Germany, the rest of the EU, Sweden and Finland.
Only Russia and China have sane, competent leaders.
Great rant!
I’m backing the street whore.
I would add that it’s common for authoritarian regimes to appear as if they know what they are doing, (Mussolini), but they lack corrective mechanisms when their actions prove wrong.
On negotiations, David Ignatius; often referred to as the voice of the nomenklatura of official Washington; had an interesting column on Thursday referencing Joe Biden’s op-ed in the NYT.
My interpretation of the article with its long reference to the Korean War — is policy makers could be aiming for a similar outcome. Of course, this goes back to the politics, which is the undertone for the NYT editorial and Biden’s op-ed. Recall the Korean War caused Truman to lose the New Hampshire primary and forcing Truman to decline seeking another term; then Democrats lost the Presidency for the first time in 20 years, and finally lost Congress. As NYT hinted, for Democrats, why wait 2.5 years to do the negotiations that could take place now?
As to whether Ukraine will join NATO, EU.
For NATO; if the US wasn’t willing to give Ukraine an iron-clad security guarantee in 1993, 2014, or 2022. What makes one think it will give it to Ukraine in the future without Russia’s consent?
For EU; what makes one think the Europeans want Ukraine in the EU in the next 30 years? If the Northern Europeans barely tolerated Greek corruption/mismanagement; I like to see their reaction to the Ukrainian government. Indeed the last several months Europeans have proposing all sorts of arrangements that place Ukraine outside of the EU.