Charlie Cook of the Cook Political Report provides his take on the status of things with just a couple of weeks before the midterm elections:
The extreme partisan polarization in recent years has yielded fewer “true independents,†ones who do not identify with or even lean toward either party, and fewer people voting split tickets. Indeed, few Democrats will now even consider voting for a Republican for anything, nor Republicans cast a ballot for a Democrat. With the party lines so rigorously followed, we now have higher floors and lower ceilings, meaning that in most competitive states and districts, the margins are rarely more than low- to mid-single digits and the trailing candidate usually remains within striking distance of the leader, hoping that circumstances or a key event will enable them to close the gap and surge or just edge ahead.
But just because there are fewer true independents or undecided voters in key races doesn’t mean they are any less important. Indeed, with both parties’ bases so thoroughly motivated, any meaningful growth in support has to come from those non-aligned voters in the middle.
After reviewing a number of very close races, he concludes:
To hold onto the barest majority possible, 218 seats, Democrats have to win 25 (81 percent) out of the 31 Toss Ups, while Republicans need to win just seven (23 percent) of the 31. If Democrats win every Toss Up race, they would end up with a net gain of one seat, a total of 223. If Republicans win every Toss Up, they would have a net gain of 29 seats. So constructing a bell curve would put the tails around one seat up for Democrats to 29 seats for Republicans, up to 242 seats. Although it is fairly rare for a party to win all of the Toss Ups, keep in mind that in 2020, when the Blue Wave turned into the Dead Sea in the final week, the GOP did just that.
Voters are deeply conflicted this year. Watch for that last gust of wind: Whichever way it goes can make a huge difference in so many of these really close races.
I’m not sure whether “too close to tell” or “we have reached the end of the trail in using polls as predictors” is a better way of summarizing his comments. If the midterms are, indeed, very close it’s the former; if they’re not close at all, it’s the latter.
Update
at 538 Nate Silver characterizes his take on who will hold the Senate in 2023 as “it’s {expletive deleted} close”:
If you’d asked me a month ago — or really even a week ago — which party’s position I’d rather be in, I would have said the Democrats. Now, I honestly don’t know.
Hat tip: in comments
I’m trying to figure out how to put my thoughts into words. In a “winner take all” system (like ours) I don’t think that “a 57% chance” actually has a referent. As the late Mayor Daley once put it “no matter what it looks like now somebody will win”. There’s a 100% chance of that happening. There’s also a 100% of the other side losing. When you reach into an urn containing black pebbles and white pebbles there’s 100% chance you’ll pull out either a black pebble or a white pebble. There is no chance you’ll pull out a gray pebble.
I also think that if polling hasn’t collapsed it’s in the process of collapsing. That’s the result of so many people either refusing to speak to pollsters or even lying to pollsters as is the case right now. Calling 250 people to obtain one response inherently biases the results. Especially if Democrats are less likely to answer the phone than Republicans or vice versa which I believe to be the case.
Nate Silver has an article up this morning explaining why he would describe control of the Senate as a toss-up (as of last night’s polling).
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-senate-is-a-toss-up/
A growing number of pundits and those doing polls are saying more people are unwilling to share how they will vote. Why should they when there is so little trust in how fair elections are run, and how lopsided our justice system is in using equal standards to judge a person’s deviancy. Democrats are usually exonerated while republicans (especially those supporting Trump) have the book thrown at them. The latest sentence given for sitting in Mike Pence’s Capitol Building seat is 3 years in prison. In the meantime robbery, rape, those committing mayhem are immediately released without bail.
Consequently, I believe the silent majority of people sitting on the sidelines, witnessing dismissed election irregularities, seeing hard core criminals released while those J6 prisoners – most without any criminal records – sit and rot in solitary confinement, some for 20 months, will exercise their helplessness over the corrupt system by voting a number of incumbents out of office. At least, I certainly hope this will be the outcome of the midterms.
I don’t think we – including Nate Silver and other polling experts experts – really know.
A human conceit is that we usually think we know more than we actually do. Examples are endless.
So if you are looking at who will control the Senate, then no one knows. Relying on probabilities from models is both GIGO and false precision. Prove to me the model probabilities – you can’t.
Claims of “x†percentage of an outcome are untested and have no skill IMO. At best they are educated guesses.
Polls are usually within a few points of the final result.
2016
+3.6 Clinton, 538
+2.1 Clinton, Final
2020
+8.4 Biden, 538
+4.4 Biden, Final
In other words, not knowing everything doesn’t mean not knowing anything. Some results are foregone conclusions, others are probable, while still others are very uncertain.
jan: The latest sentence given for sitting in Mike Pence’s Capitol Building seat is 3 years in prison. In the meantime robbery, rape, those committing mayhem are immediately released without bail.
Apples and oranges. Secor was granted pretrial release. Also, Secor was charged for a federal crime, while the crimes you mentioned are state crimes. More importantly, Secor pleaded guilty to purposefully trying to disrupt the peaceful transfer of presidential power, including the use of force to enter the Capitol, and saying “We’re gonna win bigly and if we don’t we’re taking this ship down in flames.”
jan: J6 prisoners – most without any criminal records – sit and rot in solitary confinement
The vast majority of J6 defendants have been granted pretrial release. The presumption of federal law is for pretrial release. To hold someone before trial requires a showing before the court that the person is a flight risk, or likely to interfere with the court process, or is a continuing danger to society. Perhaps you could name someone you believe has not been accorded their rights under the law.
4% doesn’t look bad when scaled against 100%; but it’s the difference between Republicans getting 51% or 55%; or Republicans gaining 10 seats and barely winning a majority vs 40 seats and having their biggest majority since the 1920’s.
And I am not making those numbers; they are based on Sean Trende’s latest analysis.
Furthermore, you’ve got to factor in the sampling error. The difference between a 2 point sampling error and a 4 point sampling error is enormous if all of the sampling error reflects an unintentional bias.
CuriousOnlooker: 4% doesn’t look bad when scaled against 100%; but it’s the difference between Republicans getting 51% or 55%
Sure, especially when there is a closely divided electorate. The point is that polls are not useless, even if they are imprecise.
Of note, in American democracy, a slight majority means winning the contest. But this can be arbitrary, as the Florida presidential election in 2000 showed. It only works if the winner tries to represent the entire constituency. If the winner acts with brute force, it can be destabilizing.
“In other words, not knowing everything doesn’t mean not knowing anything. Some results are foregone conclusions, others are probable, while still others are very uncertain.”
It depends on whether what you know is actually relevant to predicting the result. In political forecasting, especially among the pundit and media classes, we frequently see claims of causation that essentially guess where the claimed relevance speaks more about the person making the argument than it does about real voter behavior.
“Sure, especially when there is a closely divided electorate. The point is that polls are not useless, even if they are imprecise.”
Indeed, polls aren’t useless, but where we want them to work the most is when the predicted result is not already obvious – such as in a close contest when a 4% difference matters a lot. On that metric, the evidence seems pretty compelling that polls have gotten worse.
“Of note, in American democracy, a slight majority means winning the contest. But this can be arbitrary, as the Florida presidential election in 2000 showed. It only works if the winner tries to represent the entire constituency. If the winner acts with brute force, it can be destabilizing.”
No, here in America a slight plurality means winning the contest. The one major exception is the Electoral College which requires an absolute majority.
Andy: when the predicted result is not already obvious
The results are usually “obvious” because of polling.
Andy: the evidence seems pretty compelling that polls have gotten worse.
Almost certainly the case.
Andy: No, here in America a slight plurality means winning the contest.
A good point. With a general social consensus about political direction, this isn’t such a problem. The losers still feel most of their concerns are represented, and that all will be well until the next election. But with a sharply divided electorate, the danger is that the losers will feel left out, especially if a minority winner uses the election as a mandate for radical change. Indeed, even if the losers constitute a minority, they may become disaffected.
Meanwhile, the Senate, House, and Presidential elections are weighted towards Republicans, meaning frequent minority control.