The editors of the Washington Post call for the Senate to convict Trump of the offense for which the House has impeached him:
THE SENATE will begin considering Tuesday whether to convict Donald Trump following the House’s unprecedented second impeachment of the former president. Mr. Trump’s lawyers, as well as many Republicans, deny that the proceedings are legitimate. They are wrong. The Senate must hold its trial, and the right vote is for conviction.
concluding:
Senators must not hide behind fig-leaf arguments. They should listen to the nearly 400 congressional staffers who wrote them a letter about the trauma they endured on Jan. 6, begging them to convict Mr. Trump. And they should think about the precedent they set. As the House managers put it, “Failure to convict would embolden future leaders to attempt to retain power by any and all means — and would suggest that there is no line a President cannot cross.â€
I have expressed myself on this subject multiple times before. I think that President Trump’s statements immediately preceding the breaching of the Capitol on January 6 constituted an impeachable offense because context matters. When you yell “Fire!” in a crowded theater it matters whether there actually is a fire.
I am also sympathetic to the claim that there should be consequences for such recklessness but equally sympathetic with the observation that the Framers and, indeed, subsequent Congresses never envisioned a president who would speak in that way under the circumstances that obtained. Present law and precedent does not support the argument that the Senate has no alternative but to convict and under our system when the law and precedent do not apply, they don’t apply.
Congress should act expeditiously to remedy the present omission in the law and not merely assume that the law applies.
I read the entire speech, and other than urging Mike Pence to reject the vote, I could not find any incitement or anything remotely resembling yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theater. Of course, I miss the much vaunted dog whistles, also. Perhaps, I need an Orphan Annie Secret Society decoder pin, but alas, I do not drink Ovaltine.
If I understand correctly, the plan was for Trump to incite an insurrection, and this would allow him to remain President for four more years. Let me guess, they were planning to give Mike Pence a wedgie until he cooperated.
Calling it an insurrection is silly, and like most of progressive history, it will be swept down the memory hole. This was a BLM style protest – a mostly peaceful riot with some looting. It was a terroristic riot.
Trump is gone. He will never be elected dog-catcher, much less president of anything other than, possibly, the Orphan Annie Secret Society. Honestly, it is time to end the histrionics and melodrama.
Dave flat out wiffed this one, IMHO. But bias always shows. Better:
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/537645-why-has-donald-trump-not-faced-charges-for-criminal-incitement
He hasn’t faced charges for criminal incitement because, as I have also said, his remarks didn’t fit the legal definition of incitement. It’s well established that actions don’t need to violate the criminal code to be impeachable offenses.
I doubt this is new to anyone here, just a reminder:
David Plouffe, President Obama’s former campaign manager, proposed the idea in June. (2018) “It is not enough to simply beat Trump,†he wrote on Twitter. “He must be destroyed thoroughly. His kind must not rise again.â€
This was the party sentiment over four YEARS ago. They’ve been at building Trump’s gallows ever since he rose.
This is about sending a strong message to any outsider regarding club rules. You don’t run for the Presidency unless invited by one of the major parties, ask Ralph Nader, and the Democrat party will vet the Republican candidate. (Romney, McCain.)
They pretend shock and distain, but are as excited about this as they were the Steele dossier, this is for the kill.
You guys are such a bunch of pussies. It was OK to play hardball against Obama and the Clintons. Say a bad word about your precious Trump and you head for the fainting couches. Grow some guys.
This is a waste of time. Of course he deserves to be convicted, just like before, but it wont happen. Trump could be found with a dead girl and a dead boy and shoot someone on 25th Avenue and the Republicans still wouldnt vote against him. They might lose in the next primary if they did.
Steve
Politics is politics, (Reid, McConnell).
But Trump came from outside the system, a lot of people held a lot of hope that he was strong enough to reform the system, rein in government and regulatory exponential growth. Not so, no one is.
So now, the future will be proscribed by the madness being force fed to students at Harvard and Berkeley, preached and certified by media.
We’re all racists now, living in a racist system beyond reform, living for a time on a dying planet. (We killed it).
Candidates will have to profess these beliefs to hold office, or pretend to.
And people think Trump ….Is crazy.
No, the president’s words did not incite….any more than 4 years of DNC-backed violence and mayhem did not incite.
You can’t have it both ways.
@steve
We know. He is a poopy head. You hate him and hope he dies.
Boo hoo.