Illinois’s Gov. J. B. Pritzker has said that Illinois will not reopen until a vaccine for COVID-19 is available. The editors of the Sun-Times are apparently in agreement with him:
Central to the argument of many proponents for an immediate reopening of the country is that doing so would lead to the quick building of herd immunity among Americans, slamming the brakes on the spread of the virus. As Americans came down with COVID-19 and recovered — if they did not die — they would become immune to catching the bug again or passing it on.
But an array of medical experts have poured cold water on that notion in recent weeks, including Fauci on Tuesday. While it is “very likely†that people who have recovered from COVID-19 enjoy “a degree of protection,†Fauci said, nobody yet knows how intense or prolonged an exposure to the virus is necessary to gain immunity or how long it lasts.
Nor, he said, do we yet understand the full and long-term effects of the virus. He noted, for example, that doctors have just recently discovered the virus can cause “a very strange inflammatory syndrome†in children.
In order for Americans to develop herd immunity, experts say, an effective vaccination against the coronavirus must be developed, and the earliest that might happen is late fall or early winter.
In the meantime, what are we to make of supposed expert medical advice from the likes of radio talker Rush Limbaugh, who’s all for throwing open the country and pursuing herd immunity right now?
To take them seriously is to risk running out of coffins.
“Without a vaccine, over 200 million Americans would have to get infected before we reach this [immunity] threshold,†Johns Hopkins University epidemiologists David Dowdy and Gypsyamber D’Souza wrote recently. “If current daily death rates continue, over half a million Americans would be dead from COVID-19 by that time.â€
Worldwide, 40 to 50 million people would likely die if countries decided to try and achieve herd immunity without a vaccine, University of Chicago associate professor Luis Barreiro, author of a recent study on herd immunity, told us.
“It’s completely irrational to consider that as an option,†Barreiro said.
Gov. J. B. Pritzker last week called it “an invitation for us to just let people die.â€
There is presently no vaccine available for any coronavirus and it is quite possible that an effective vaccine will never be developed to protect against SARS-CoV-2. IMO the greatest likelihood is that, like many other related infections, SARS-CoV-2 will become endemic in the population and the best case scenario is that a vaccine will be developed that needs to be reformulated every year and protects a percentage of the population from 19% to 60% from the virus.
There is an alternative other than letting the entire United States or, indeed, the State of Illinois remain shut down until a vaccine that may never materialie is developed and that is what I support. There should be limited, systematic, and targeted reopenings rather than a radical reopening and this process should be informed by the best and most current information available.
The governor and the Sun-Times need to get their minds around the idea that remaining shut down forever is not a viable option. We will need to learn to live with some level of risk.
Gov Pritzker can have his lockdown; now let him enforce it!
To channel Andrew Jackson.
Elon Musk / Tesla is illustrative of how things are going to go.
I agree. East St. Louis is already engaged in a soft rebellion. Other parts of the state will follow.
In our county, we have over 800 confirmed cases, 4 deaths, but only 63 recovered patients total. It begins to appear that even survivors may never recover, but require dialysis and blood thinners for clots the rest of their days. And, they can reacquire the virus as long as they live.
There are several possible responses to such a situation. One alternative would be to decide to sit in a corner until you died, whether of the disease or starvation. Or you can just decide that COVID-19 is an unmitigatable risk, accept it, and go on with your life. That doesn’t stop you from trying to mitigate the risk.
The drive-in movie theaters opened last weekend; I refuse to believe Illinois has a stay-at-home order, lock-down, whatever . . ..
And one could say the Governor is ruling imperialistically, except he has no police force backing him — it is a dictatorship by scold. And if you don’t like what he says later today, wait until tomorrow, where he backtracks from various inferences. He wants to be seen as reasonable. That is, just another politician who wants to be loved and appreciated in the manner he knows he deserves to be loved and appreciated.
I think you’re about right, PD. The irony is that just yesterday he was criticizing politicians who took that position presumably thinking it applied to the members of the legislature rather than himself.
I think a lot may depend on timing—whether he changes course before or after the recall petition starts circulating.
Zero risk policies are almost always bad. We have to accept some risk and we should be working now on how to minimize risk so that we can more safely and completely reopen. More testing and coordinated testing, especailly if you want targeted reopening. If we want to protect higher risk populations then find a way to do it. Lets have more PPE too.
Steve
PPE. Yeah. Thought we were going to get wartime speed production. Disappointing.
Wow, I feel for you all in Illinois – the contrast with how our governor is handling things is stark.
I probably haven’t been railing against Pritzker as much as I should have been. He needs to watch his rear end. His rejection of criticism when his wife boogied out of Illinois to “shelter in place” in Florida and his refusal to comment on Hyatt’s layoffs of thousands of employees are not a good look. I didn’t ask him to become governor of Illinois. I thought his scheming with Blagojevich should have disqualified him outright. But once he became governor he assumed certain responsibilities and one of them was for him and his family to stay in the state, darn it. And how do you complain about Trump when you’re doing the same things as you’re accusing Trump of?
Now that there’s been one court case declaring his extended lockdown unconstitutional, there will be a flood of others, costing the state money it doesn’t have. Not only is he losing moral authority but legal authority as well.
And he’s got to get the legislature back in session. That’s a sine qua non.
Keep in mind that Illinois now has a constitutional provision for recalling governors.
Any evidence yet that he is an outright crook? Isn’t Illinois one of the few states that has a permanent “governor’s cell” set aside in the state penitentiary?
Steve
During my lifetime four Illinois governors have done time in prison after their terms of office. I may have missed one in that count.
We’re in a tight competition with Louisiana for the “Most Corrupt State” title.
The Wisconsin Supreme Court just struck down the stay-at-home order of the Wisconsin Department of Human Services. This seems to be the gist from one of the concurrences:
“However well-intentioned, the secretary-designee of the
Department of Health Services exceeded her powers by ordering the
people of Wisconsin to follow her commands or face imprisonment
for noncompliance. In issuing her order, she arrogated unto
herself the power to make the law and the power to execute it,
excluding the people from the lawmaking process altogether. The
separation of powers embodied in our constitution does not permit
this. Statutory law being subordinate to the constitution, not
even the people’s representatives in the legislature may
consolidate such power in one person.”
What galls me about the entire discussion surrounding cases like this is that no radical right wing agenda is being followed here. The rule of law MEANS that you conform to the law EVEN DURING an emergency.