Talks proceeding in Russian hostage situation

CORRECTION: In one of my comments below I incorrectly gave the impression that my wife let me sleep in. It was the dogs that let me sleep in.

Reuters reports:

BESLAN, Russia (Reuters) – Gunmen held hundreds of children and adults captive in a school gym into the night in turbulent southern Russia Thursday, but the Kremlin remained silent about an attack amounting to a huge humiliation.

Officials in North Ossetia, a province near unruly Chechnya, were trying to build contacts with 17 attackers who herded pupils, parents and teachers into the gym after bursting into a ceremony marking the start of a new school year Wednesday.

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I can provide a little more detail courtesy of Gazeta.ru. The code for the diagram is as follows:

  1. School building
  2. Central entrance
  3. Inner yard, where the attack took place
  4. Gymnasium, where the hostages are
  5. Windows of the building facade “Living shield”
  6. Emergency exit
  7. Boiler-room where hostages hid
  8. Sports complex
  9. Stadium

And here’s a partial translation of an editorial from Gazeta.ru:

A wave of terror covers Russia. We have become accustomed to what has been happening and what will happen under
the Chechnyan “Counter-terrorist operation”. What has happened over the last few days appears to be the terrorist counter-operation.

The seizure of a school with children even for the present terrorist way
is a scene that is completely out of line. It is not merely a challenge. It is
the last straw. Christianity does not admit of blood feuds. But anyone who
stakes the life of a child cannot be reckoned as human. These creatures may
have no God, may have no people. This threat to kill a child is a renunciation
of membership in the family of man, it is like killing your own mother.

The Russias may expect dreadful hours, even days. On the one hand there is a principle “don’t make concessions to terrorists”. For by this
we only take the risk of further sacrifice. But on the other hand there is no
principle by which one can sacrifice children.

It is in this reckoning that one renounces the humane. Because the Russian power is bound, in the first place, to save children, and in the
second place to give such an answer that no one would think that this has been a successful experiment. If the government cannot do this, then what is it good for?

The scale of the war declared on Russia in the last week is such that it is impossible to endure political games about it.

The domestic political situation in Russia today is this. The War on Terror and the second Chechnyan campaign have always key factors in the rise
of President Putin to power. And one of his main assets (lit. skates). Every terrorist act is exploited by the Kremlin to reinforce the political position of his power base. Conversely, Putin’s political opponents have not missed the opportunity to point out that Putin has not been able to resolve the problems
of terrorism and the Chechnyan situation as a whole.

The terrorist war against Russia which has not ceased in its relentless escalation is just just a problem for Putin. It is a problem for Russia.

And to give this principle political reality Putin must hear an array of unpleasant questions and answer that array of unpleasant questions.

The commentary goes on to call for strong measures to bring stability to both Chechnya and the Caucasus.

UPDATE: I’m posting ongoing updates on the situation here.

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9 comments… add one
  • I remember two incidents in the Philippines where the relatives and children of the Abu Sayyaf kidnappers were taken hostage themselves and used as bargaining chips to free the hostages under the Abu Sayyaf’s custody.

    First time was when the Abu Sayyaf kidnapped a group of school children, teachers and a priest from two schools in Basilan on March 20, 2000.

    “In a strange turn-about, a vigilante group calling themselves the Civilian Volunteers Organization (CVO), took matters into their own hands by kidnapping 11 relatives of Abu Sayyaf leader Khadafy Janjalani, including his wife Karima and one-year-old daughter Jasmin.

    The vigilantes were led by Abdul Mijal, a former rebel who now serves as bodyguard to Governor Wahab Akbar. The Abu Sayyaf’s 33 hostages reportedly include two of Mijal’s relatives. Gov. Akbar denied all knowledge or role in the kidnapping of the Janjalani clan.

    The vigilantes have given Abu Sayyaf until April 15 to release 33 hostages, and have threatened to execute the relatives of the extremist group’s leader. However, the rebel said that they would not agree to a hostage swap, and threatened to behead the male hostages, beginning with the captured priest, Roel Gallardo if the military launched a rescue operation.”

    (the vigilantes were led by Abdul Mijal, a fellow Muslim and Gov. Wahab Akbar’s former bodyguard.)

    The second time was when the Abus abducted a group of tourists, including US missionaries Gracia and Martin Burnham, in 2002.

    “A mayor in the southern Philippines has resorted to unusual tactics to try to get Muslim rebels to release hostages.

    He says he has begun taking into custody the wives and male relatives of Abu Sayyaf rebels who kidnapped two Americans and a local nurse.

    The three have been held since early last year.

    However the mayor’s action has been condemned by a military spokesman in the area.

    Thousands of Philippine troops are hunting for the guerrillas on mountainous Basilan island where they have the support of the largely Muslim population.

    United States special forces are currently holding military exercises on Basilan to upgrade the fighting skills of the local troops.

    Bargaining chips

    The mayor of Maluso town told reporters that since he started his operation last week his men had seized four wives and four male relatives of Abu Sayyaf leaders to be used as “bargaining power”.

    “If we don’t kidnap them, the rebels will become stronger,” Sakin Salajin said.

    He also brushed off suggestions of possible human rights violations.”

    Of course, the Americans and the west, where human rights are important, will never accept such tactics.

    But this is Russia, and Russia is not America. If they can use gas to subdue the terrorists inside a Moscow theather in 2002, anything is possible.

    And with Putin, a ruthless former KGB against, he might approve of such a move. After the Putin admin identifies all the Chechen terrorists, they or their surrogates in Chechnya might try to seize and detain all the relatives, wives and children of these Chechen terrorists and use them to swap hostages.

    They could even use their wives to go on national tv (ala Al Jazeera) and appeal to the hostagetakers to release the schoolchildren.

    Personally, I don’t agree with such methods, and I don’t know if they are effective. All I’m saying is that it has been done before, and we might see this same tactic being employed by the Russians soon.

  • Thanks for keeping us up to date.

    One question, are there any reliable estimates of the number of hostages involved yet? From what I can gather from the MSM it ranges from about 300 to a 1000 (CNN 2300 GMT+1)

  • According to Gazeta.ru the official estimate of hostages prior to the release today was 354. Worried people in the crowd waiting outside the school have been holding up signs that say there are more than 800 hostages.

    There’s a similar discrepancy about how many people have been killed. The official number is 7. In an interview with Utro.ru, a man who claims to have escaped out a window when ordered by the terrorists to dump the bodies of the slain out that window put the number of dead at 15.

    Right now there’s just no way to tell. My guess based on past experiences with official Russian government estimates is that the number is higher than the official estimate but lower than 800.

  • Thank you very much, this was getting quite confusing.

  • If you think the situation is confusing, you should read the Russian news reports. I’m continuing to report above.

    Wouldn’t you know that the first time in years my wife let’s me sleep in the hostage crisis comes to a head?

  • stan Link

    John, similar case study in Israel where Islamists pulled the same depraved crime. In 1974, 3 arab terrorists took hostage a group of 11th graders in Ma’alot and demanded the release of other Arab terrorists in exchange for the kids:

    Ma’alot (or Maalot), 1974
    In the morning the terrorists were identified as members of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) who had infiltrated from Lebanon. …

    At 5:45PM a unit of the elite Golani brigade stormed the building. All of the terrorists were killed in the assault, but not before they took the lives of 21 children. There were a total of 26 victims, including several people murdered by the terrorists on their way to the school the night before.

    In Beirut, eloquent demonstrations honoring the fallen fedayeen as noble martyrs of the cause were ordered by Nayef Hawatmeh, the DFLP leader.

    from: Palestine Facts

  • Mark Lewis Link

    I can’t help but comment on the professionalism of our country and the fact that it wouldnt happen here. Are we the only country in the world free from the sickness that engulfes countries that produces terrorists capable of killing innocent children. What have these innocent people done?? These idiots wonder why we invade their countries to try and create some stability…

    I myself can only wonder how the parents are feeling right now.. Without showing any discrimination, these terrorists are Freaks, it is not “normal behaviour” to “blow up” and kill one’s fellow human beings to express one’s political views..What kind of a World are we living in???

  • Julian Link

    Is there anywhere the American people can e-mail to let the people of Russia know that our thoughts and prayers are with them in this terrible time?

  • Alan Link

    It’s a sad day in the history of humanity that a group so desperate to make its message heard would stoop so low as to take children, their mothers and teachers hostage and exectute them.
    How can you negotiate with this level of inhumanity?

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