Quadrophenia

The editors of the Washington Post speak out in favor of “the Quad”, the co-op of the United States, Japan, India, and Australia, revitalized by President Trump and with whom President Biden met (virtually) last week. I agree.

However, this passage struck me funny:

That said, the strength of the grouping should not be overstated. It is not a military alliance and is unlikely to become one anytime soon; if the Xi regime launches a war in the Pacific in the coming years — say, to conquer Taiwan — it might not be of much help. Under its new prime minister, Yoshihide Suga, Japan appears less invested in the initiative than it was under his hawkish predecessor, Shinzo Abe. Perhaps most troubling, the Quad casts itself as a group of democracies promoting liberal values, but Mr. Modi’s government has been so repressive of free speech and civil liberties that India was recently downgraded to “partly free” in the Freedom House survey.

for several reasons. First, the same thing could be said of our NATO allies in the event of a war with Russia. How much help would they be really? Of them only France and maybe the UK are capable of doing their own logistics and, as we learned in 2011, not for very long.

The second reason is the passage critical of India:

but Mr. Modi’s government has been so repressive of free speech and civil liberties

I think that’s a case of the perfect being the enemy of the good. I would rather India were more closely allied with the U. S. than more closely allied with China. Which would they prefer?

If they can only tolerate views of civil liberties like those we’ve historically espoused, that pretty much limits things to the Anglosphere, i.e. the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

5 comments… add one
  • TastyBits Link

    … the Xi regime launches a war … to conquer Taiwan …

    Wars are so yesterday. Stage a color revolution, and help remove the oppressors.

  • bob sykes Link

    The Quad is a bad joke, and empty shell, all hot air. Both Japan and Australia and eleven other countries is Asia, including everyone of our allies, signed on to RCEP, a free(r) trade agreement with China. China is already their largest trade partner, and RCEP will further integrate their economies.

    There is not a single country anywhere, certainly not the EU, that supports our aggressive trade war with China. Not one. We are badly losing every aspect of our competition with China: economic, military, political, cultural. The fact is the leadership in Asia has already passed to China.

    At some point embargoes, sanctions, imprecations slide into shooting wars. Our history with Japan is the best example. They would rather fight a war they could not win (viz. Yamamoto) rather than to submit to the US. China is every bit as proud, and our military equal. Were they not so obviously winning, we might find ourselves at war with them.

    None of that has anything to do with Taiwan. That is a separate issue. But our Ruling Class wants to undo the Shanghai Communique of 1972, in which we agreed that Taiwan was part of China. That is a casus belli all by itself.

  • steve Link

    My reading of Japanese history is that Japan thought they could win. The emergence of Shinto and the emperor being divine certainly seemed to make them more willing to go war (maybe not the reason they actually made the decision) and believe they could not fail. Looking back I do realize that i have read mostly US historians on the topic so not sure how Japanese saw it.

    Steve

  • My reading of Japanese history is that Japan thought they could win.

    The Japanese military did not or, at least, they thought the only way they could win is with an immediate knockout which is what they attempted at Pearl Harbor.

  • Grey Shambler Link

    So, if we’re in a similar position as Japan in 1941 vis a vis China, we’d be going for a total knockout of our own pantry.
    I don’t think they worry.

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