Point/Counter-Point on Germany

In his Washington Post column Fareed Zakaria heaps praise on Germany:

But Germany has not given in. Confronted with these massive challenges, it has patiently sought to diversify away from a dependence on Russia, investing even more in green technology, buying liquefied natural gas, reopening coal-fired plants and even debating whether to keep its last three nuclear power plants running longer than planned. (It should.) The European Union has suggested a 15 percent reduction in the consumption of natural gas this winter. Germany is trying to achieve a 20 percent cut just to be safe. German industry is being resourceful about energy efficiency, and companies are even thinking about sharing resources with competitors, all to get through the crisis.

Initially Scholz was regarded as a lightweight, unable to match the gravitas and leadership skills of his predecessor Angela Merkel. But Merkel herself was seen in similar ways when she came to power. Over time she developed the skills and stature to gain respect from all quarters. She might have erred in trying to develop too conciliatory a relationship with Moscow, but when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, she was at the forefront in condemning it and persuading Europe to impose an ambitious program of sanctions. She also led the world in responding to the Syrian refugee crisis, reassuring her country by declaring, “We can do this.” As of mid-2021, Germany hosts more than 1.2 million refugees, half of whom are from Syria. In fact, Germany has managed this stunning act of integration with minimal problems.

We always underestimate modern-day Germany and its leadership. The federal republic has had a remarkable run of leaders in the post-World War II era, from its first chancellor, Konrad Adenauer, to Willy Brandt to Helmut Schmidt to Merkel — and now, let’s hope, to Scholz. Can any other country compare over the past seven decades?

but George Friedman isn’t as enthusiastic:

Germany’s foreign minister suggested this week that Germany cannot send more of its own weapons to Ukraine because it has deficient supplies. If this story is true, it means that Germany, with the largest economy in Europe, does not have the facilities to rapidly produce more weapons – despite pledging money for the production of weapons for Ukraine. The money matters, but only to an extent. The capacity of other NATO countries to provide weapons to Ukraine has production limits as well.

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Germany’s weapons deficit reveals as much. Given its position as the largest European economy and as a NATO member, it is reasonable to have expected Germany to maintain or build weapons production facilities out of a sense of responsibility. It could have also led the EU writ large in creating weapons production capacity or fostering the growth of a European military. Since the EU’s annual gross domestic product is roughly the same as America’s, that would have allowed the Europeans to absorb the risk of waging a Ukrainian war with European weapons and forces.

Since a war in Europe was farfetched when the EU really got rolling, no one wanted to fund such an undertaking, leaving it to NATO, and therefore the United States – a most cost-effective measure. But the underlying truth is that the EU consists of members who don’t much trust each other. The command structure of a European military would be hotly contested, and the growing power of some countries would surely be discussed.

It is dangerous to be rich and weak. Such nations are frequently seen as a tasty meal. That is how Europe appears to global predators. The United States, which is both rich and strong, has to defend Europe because the wealth, technology and knowledge of Europe in the hands of other states might imperil the United States. The Europeans have for centuries mastered the art of using weakness effectively.

IMO it’s too early to tell for certain what’s going on with Germany. I think that the Germans are hoping that the war will end soon and they won’t need to reduce their oil and gas imports from Russia as as much as they’ve promised they would. It’s a lot easier to be bold when you know that the United States will pay to defend you.

5 comments… add one
  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    The irony in all this is if Trump was President instead of Biden; it is almost assured Germany would be neutral in the war, make no commitments, and probably be receiving Russian gas at a discount (to keep Germany neutral).

    Only a Democrat who beat the detested Trump and a committed Atlanticist could evoke a German position this close to the American one even where they suffer a disproportionate proportion of the blowback from the war.

  • Andy Link

    Germany’s foreign minister suggested this week that Germany cannot send more of its own weapons to Ukraine because it has deficient supplies. If this story is true, it means that Germany, with the largest economy in Europe, does not have the facilities to rapidly produce more weapons – despite pledging money for the production of weapons for Ukraine. The money matters, but only to an extent. The capacity of other NATO countries to provide weapons to Ukraine has production limits as well.

    This is something I’ve pointed out before. Even a country like the US depends on stockpiles and short wars to avoid having to pay for idle weapon and ammunition manufacturing capabilities. As I pointed out before, it’s not even clear whether US HIMARS missile products can keep up with Ukrainian demand.

    Europe is in even worse shape because they have small military forces and even less productive capacity when it comes to weapons and ammunition.

    While production for things like bullets and artillery shells can scale up pretty quickly (and Ukraine is reliant on NATO ammo there as well – they depleted their stocks quickly), more advanced weapons cannot.

    As far as assistance to Ukraine goes, I find the data here pretty useful:
    https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

    You can notice, for example, that despite haven’t close to the same GDP, US provides double the assistance and the gap is massive if you just focus on military aid.

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    “Even a country like the US depends on stockpiles and short wars to avoid having to pay for idle weapon and ammunition manufacturing capabilities. As I pointed out before, it’s not even clear whether US HIMARS missile products can keep up with Ukrainian demand.”

    I have an open question how much of the problem is the fact US (and NATO doctrine) is based on gaining, utilizing air supremacy and naval power projection. Could it be the US has stockpiles and huge production capacity of precision bombs and ship missiles but since NATO aircraft and ships aren’t engaged in active hostilities it negates all those stockpiles / manufacturing capacity, i.e. this is the type of war NATO didn’t imagine it would fight.

  • Andy Link

    Curious,

    The US, like most countries, assumes a short war or that stockpiles will last long enough to mobilize increased production. But that assumption is not very good. The US ran very low, for example, on many precision weapons kits during the Libyan operation a decade ago.

    And many of the more technical weapons that provide a decisive advantage are subject to many of the same supply-chain problems as other things.

  • bob sykes Link

    Here are two links that help to explain Germany and Europe in general:

    https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/us-gdp-per-capita-by-state-vs-european-countries-and-japan-korea-mexico-and-china-and-some-lessons-for-the-donald/

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1549554660184231936.html

    The first link ranks EU countries by per caput GDP (mostly PPP) against American states. Every EU country has a lower per caput GDP than Mississippi.

    EU countries are poor, even Germany.

    The second ranks a number of countries by their real, tangible economies. That is how much stuff they make, like tons of steel, bbls of oil, bushels of wheat, automobiles, electrical stuff. Services are not included, because they are parasitic on the real economy: no steel, no lawyers.

    In that study, the Russian tangible economy is 68% of the American tangible economy, and it is 4.6 times as large as Germany’s. America’s economy is only 67% of China’s.

    Did you know that China makes 25 million cars per year, whereas we make 11 million?

    Like the US, the EU economies have been hollowed out, and there is a very long list of things they do not and cannot make. By contrast the Russian and Chinese economies each make nearly everything they need. Europe and China are energy poor, while Russia has the greatest energy resources of any country in the world.

    Again, Europe, and Germany in particular, do not have the economic capacity nor the population to gin up the kind of military the US demands of it. They simply cannot do it.

    They don’t want to do it, either, which is the sensible choice.

    Additionally there was no need for a big German military. After the fall of the USSR, the Russia fragment went passive. It was not a threat to anyone, especially not EU/NATO. Germany and other European countries saw no need to maintain large militaries, so they disarmed. And disarmament was the correct decision. NATO should have been disbanded.

    The main threat, actually the only threat, to world peace is the US and its neocon Elite Caste. Here’s the Wiki count of American warmongering, over 400 since 1776:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States

    The bottom line is that the US is a rogue, terrorist state that has gone berzerker since 1991. Almost every war since 1991 has been initiated by the US, and almost always against states that were at peace with us. That includes specifically Somalia (our longest war, 30 years and counting), Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. We are continuing our aggression against Afghanistan, and we are continuing to conduct raids on the country, as the recent assassination of Ayman al-Zawahiri shows. We also started the current Ukrainian war when we organized the coup against Yanukovych in 2014, Ukraine’s first and last democratically elected president. We instigated the Russo-Georgian war, too.

    After 1991, Gorbachev and then Yeltsin, Putin, and Medvedev all wanted Russia to be part of both NATO and the EU. Putin: “A united Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok.” (A riff on De Gaulle’s Atlantic to Urals Europe) The US blocked that. In 2015 and later, Russia, Germany, France and Ukraine negotiated agreements to stop the civil war (Minsk I and II). The US stopped that, too.

    We also killed JCPOA and forced Germany, France and the UK to go along with our sanctions on Iran.

    Today, the US has dragged Germany and NATO into a proxy war against Russia. The US has also forced Europe to impose sanctions on Russia. Sanctions which have no effect on the Russian economy and which are pushing Europe into a Second Great Depression, which promises to be worse than the first.

    So the bottom line is not what is wrong with Germany or France or Spain or whoever. The real bottom line is, What is wrong with the US? Biden’s Hilter impersonation, the Nuremberg-like staging of his speech, and the overt threats to half of the American electorate show where the problem is.

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