I planned to post on an op-ed in the New York Times on the prospect of a second American Civil War but James Joyner beat me to it in his response at Outside the Beltway. I materially agree with his conclusion:
Regardless, rhetoric aside, a repeat is simply not going to happen. There is no relatively neat line of demarcation between “Red America†and “Blue America†that would allow the formation of two contiguous countries and two armies.
That doesn’t, however, mean that there’s no danger of violence if our war of words continues to escalate. Americans have lost faith in our institutions. Democrats, for good reason, don’t see the Electoral College as legitimate, having seen their candidate defeated twice in the span of 16 years despite garnering more votes. They also don’t see the Supreme Court as legitimate, largely because its majority is a direct result of minority rule (but, frankly, also because they simply dislike recent rulings). Republicans, meanwhile, seem not to see the votes of those who aren’t Republican as legitimate and therefore any means of suppressing or discounting them is justified.
If violence breaks out, though, it’ll be more like mass rioting than contending armies. And there will be no General Lee able to surrender.
although I think that we will see more than rioting. While I don’t think we will see pitched battles as occurred during the American Civil War I, I do think we’ll see rioting, skirmishes between small groups and the authorities or between small groups, terrorism, and civil disorder. I think we’re already seeing it. Don’t think in terms of Glory, Lincoln, or The Red Badge of Courage. Think Mad Max. As evidence I submit this:
CHICAGO — At least 35 people were shot, nine fatally, in Chicago shootings over the weekend.
Eight people were killed and 25 others were wounded – including a 5-year-old boy – in shootings over the weekend across Chicago.
or this:
CHICAGO (WLS) — Cellphone video showed the aftermath of a crash that police said killed a woman on the city’s Southwest Side.
It happened just after 1:30 a.m. Sunday. A 27-year-old man and a 19-year-old woman were speeding down Cicero Avenue near 64th Street, police said. That’s when the man changed lanes, hit the woman’s car and 40-year-old Shawman Meireis, who was standing on the sidewalk.
The victim died at the hospital. Police said the man behind the wheel was given two citations.
Hours after that, a chaotic confrontation was caught on video at South Canal Street and West Cermak Road in the Pilsen neighborhood. Police said they tried to respond to reports of more drifting and drag racing. Instead, they left with six squad vehicles pummeled by heavy objects.
Video shows people hitting a police SUV over and over again. Officers were then seen retreating. No officers were hurt.
Before, some people in that same group were involved in a street takeover at Madison and Morgan in the West Loop, police said. Video showed a vehicle dangerously drifting in that intersection.
both from ABC 7 Chicago. One of the things that struck me was the comments to James’s post. I think his commenters greatly misunderstand the present moment. To read their comments you would conclude that Republicans are vile, authoritarian bigots and that division in the country has been caused by Fox News. My retort would be that you could shutter every Fox outlet or magically cause every Illinois Republican to disappear and it wouldn’t solve one of Chicago’s problems. IMO they’re mistaking symptoms for causes.
The United States remains a center-right country while the leadership of both parties are significantly more extreme. Strict majoritarianism wouldn’t mean that more of what progressives want would be enacted into law. It means that more of what conservatives and moderates want would be enacted into law. According to Gallup progressives are outnumbered by both conservatives and moderates. Pew Research reports similar results. It’s only the undemocratic results produced by gerrymandering and Congress’s seniority system that enables progressives to get what they want.
I’m a Democrat but I want a Democratic Party that stands up for ordinary Americans rather than standing up for, as Ezra Klein put it, people who work for or contribute to Democratic campaigns.






