Consider these countries:
Country | Density per km2 | Population | Area |
---|---|---|---|
France | 122 | 66,548,531 | 547,557 |
Germany | 242 | 84,552,242 | 349,360 |
Italy | 201 | 59,342,867 | 295,720 |
United Kingdom | 286 | 69,138,192 | 241,930 |
United States | 37 | 341,730,701 | 9,147,590 |
One of those countries is quite different from the other four. Keep that in mind.
Noah Smith’s most recent post was motivated by the murder of Iryna Zarutska on a commuter train in Charlotte. Its title is “Good cities can’t exist without public order”.
After quoting several people claiming that incidents like that are why we can’t have good public transit in the United States, Mr. Smith observes:
These people are overstating their case, but when you get right down to it, they do have a point. America’s chronically high levels of violence and public disorder are one reason — certainly not the only reason, but one reason — that it’s so politically difficult to build dense housing and transit in this country.
For many years, I’ve been involved with the urbanist movement in America. I want to see my country build more dense city centers where people can walk and take the train instead of driving. That doesn’t mean I want to eliminate the suburbs; I just don’t want to have San Francisco and Chicago and Houston feel like suburbs. If we have dense cities and quiet suburbs, then every American will get to live in the type of place they want to live in. Currently, the only dense city we have is NYC.
But I think my fellow urbanists are often a bit naive about what it’ll take to get more dense, walkable city centers in America. They often act as if car culture is an autonomous meme that just happened to develop in America, and that real considerations like violent crime played no role in driving Americans — both white and nonwhite — out of urban cores in the 20th century.
He then proceeds to state his case that a) we have more violent crime, homicides in particular, than “other rich countries”; and b) that’s because we have fewer police officers per 100K population than “other rich countries”, e.g. France, Germany, etc.
I only have two observations. The first is that you cannot discuss homicides in the United States intelligently without bringing up race. Half of all homicides in the U. S. are blacks killing other blacks. Interracial homicides, like that of Ms. Zarutska, are terribly sad but quite rare.
As quoted by Mr. Smith the U. S. homicide rate per 100K population is 5.8 but 1.3 for France, .8 for Germany, etc. That sounds pretty bad. However, the white homicide rate in the U. S. per 100K population is 3.2. That’s not far from India’s or Canada’s.
My second observation is that the major difference between the United States and Japan, Mr. Smith’s favorite counter-example, is social cohesion. Japan is very homogeneous, highly cohesive, and generally consensus-based, almost a large extended family. The U. S. is, well, not.
My claim would be that (at least until rather recently) France, Germany, Italy, and the UK were largely ethnic states with high degrees of social cohesion. 20% of the people in the U. S. don’t speak English at home; 10% don’t speak English at all. In France 3% of the people don’t speak French at home. IMO that is due to modern France’s insistence on the French language and that builds social cohesion.
I would further claim that you cannot have the high level of social cohesion that Japan does in a country as large and diverse as the U. S.
Consequently, my retort to Mr. Smith would be that even if the United States had the large number of police officers he proposes we would still have more crime than “other rich countries” because we don’t have the social cohesion that they do. I would also stick out my tongue and assert that you can’t compare us with “other rich countries” because we aren’t much like them. We’re more like Brazil (and have a lower homicide rate).
True in some sense. The most appropriate political entities to compare the US (if the criterion is combined population and area) would be the EU (not its constituent members); India; China; Brazil; and Russia.
But here then is the counterexample to the argument. The EU as a whole is arguably as diverse or even more so then the US (for example if measured on GDP per capita between States or in languages spoken), and arguably less cohesive socially at the European level.
My argument is similar but a little different. Dense cities requires more commons, whether its housing (sharing a piece of land for apartments), amenities (parks, etc) or transportation. More commons require more rules on the use of the commons and compliance to those rules. That requires a shared cultural norm to comply with rules (once they are set).
Where the US is different is it has an ambigious attitude towards complying with rules; going back to the founding of this country. And this attitude exists throughout the political spectrum and different demographics.
That’s distinct from Europe and East Asia. However different EU states are, their populations accord greater respect to rules once they are created.
CuriousOnlooker:
You wrote:
When I worked in Germany I was somewhat surprised at the shocked reaction of Germans to minor deviations from the rules on my part. It taught me a valuable lesson. When in Rome…
In comparing American white murder rates with Europe the hispanic portion of US data needs removed. US then aligns with Europe.
I think the density of US cities is the relevant stat. In that regard US cities are also less dense but it’s highly variable with the older US cities maybe half as dense but their cores are close to European numbers.
I would add two things to your list. First you ignore the presence of guns. Note that Brazil, your country of comparison, has about 75% of its homicides committed using guns. While sometimes hard to obtain legally there they are easily obtained illegally. Second, the US uniquely enacted policies after the elimination of slavery to help ensure a permanent underclass. One of the countries that came closest to our policies was actually Brazil with its whitening policy after outlawing slavery.
Steve
The fact that white Americans left the cities as soon as it was economically feasible is the important point. I lived for eight plus year in a dense, walkable city when I was in high school and college. It was Dorchester, a part of Boston. It was an ethnically diverse rathole and dangerous to be out in.
There was plenty of open space in reasonable walking distance of my home, both Franklin Field, for athletics/recreation, and Franklin Park, the Boston zoo, plus various school yards. Getting there unassaulted was the issue.
I lived as a junior faculty member in a middle class suburb of Columbus for another eight years. Cars were mandatory. Infinitely better living than inner city Boston, despite the low density and lack of walkability.
Now I live on 11.5 acres of woods in rural, north central Ohio, and finally I am at peace and content.
The fact is that life in all cities is so unpleasant and stressful that virtually all city folk are clinically insane. And city madmen run this and every country, which explains why everything is FUBAR/SNAFU.
steve:
That’s not the statistic that Mr. Smith cited. BTW, the Commune of Paris (Paris proper) has a population density twice that of New York City and four times that of Chicago. Tokyo’s population density (urban core) is half again New York City’s.
I suspect the causality may go in the opposite direction as well, i.e. higher social cohesion (and adherence to rules as mentioned above) enables the French and Japanese population to live more closely together.
By the second decade of the 21st century, every he, she or they that dreamed of living in a 1950s New York style cityscape had their own Substack.
“For most Americans (86%), owning their own home is preferable to renting. This includes 90% of Republicans and 84% of Democrats. Most Americans also idealize the single-family home: 89% of Americans, including 86% of Democrats and 95% of Republicans, would prefer living in a single-family home to living in a condo or townhome.
But people differ in where they want that single-family home to reside. Republicans (58%) would prefer a single-family home in the countryside, while Democrats would prefer a single-family home in a city (22%) or the suburbs of a city (34%). In addition, 62% of Republicans prefer a home that is larger and further from other homes, at the expense of proximity to schools, stores, and restaurants, compared to only 36% of Democrats.”
https://www.cato.org/blog/new-poll-87-americans-worry-about-cost-housing-76-say-now-bad-time-buy-home
Dave- I dont ever see us as having that kind of social cohesion since we imported and maintained a large social underclass and then worked to maintain it. However, I think it’s more than that. If you look at areas in the US that were racially pretty homogeneous and fairly socially cohesive in the 1800s and early 1900s we had much higher murder rates than most of Europe. This was especially true in the West and in the South after the civil war. We have almost always been willing to kill each other. Since we have had access to guns we also had the ability.
Steve
Me, neither.
Lots of different points here.
On transportation, our cities are less dense and newer. The cities with the best public transportation systems, started building them back when there was much less regulation and NIMBY wasn’t as much of a problem.
Here in Colorado, Denver has a decent light rail system, but it’s not as good as it could be because of NIMBY. It’s also very poorly run. The trains don’t run on time, and very little is done to keep it clean and friendly. The last time I used it, one of the stairwells reeked of piss, and there are frequently dodgy-looking homeless people about.
I think PD brings up a point that’s not discussed enough – most people in the US live in suburbs or suburb-like areas. For decades, the suburban population has grown as a percentage compared to urban cores and rural areas. It’s where people want to live. It’s low-density, so public transportation is challenging at best.