In November I planned to vote for whatever Democrat was running for president. Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. He never has been. Even were he to announce that he’d become a Democrat, he would not be one.
I suspect that this Wall Street Journal op-ed from retired law school dean James Huffman captures the dilemma in which many find themselves pretty well:
If Bernie Sanders is the Democratic nominee for president, he’ll have to secure the votes of people like me. He won’t have a chance. A man who sings the praises of Fidel Castro’s Cuba and promises to dismantle the most productive economy on the planet won’t win over America’s moderate middle, even running against an ill-mannered, ignorant and demagogic Donald Trump.
Until 2016 I was a registered Republican. I voted for some Democrats, but mostly Republicans. In 2010 I was Oregon’s Republican nominee for U.S. Senate, challenging incumbent Ron Wyden as a social moderate and fiscal conservative. In July 2016, I wrote an op-ed in Oregon’s leading newspaper urging the state’s Republican National Convention delegates to lead a “revolution of conscience†against Mr. Trump’s nomination. When he was nominated, I changed my registration to “unaffiliated.â€
In November I voted for Libertarian Gary Johnson. If I lived in a swing state, I’d have voted for Hillary Clinton. Mr. Trump has been even worse as president than I imagined—less civil, less informed, more demagogic. Yet if Mr. Sanders is the Democratic nominee, I’ll vote for Mr. Trump.
Voting for Bernie Sanders will not be an option for millions of moderate Republican and independent voters, including those in swing states. They may like some of the things Mr. Trump has done, but they can’t abide his rude behavior, narcissism and disregard for the truth. But neither can they accept Mr. Sanders’s socialism with its limitless, unfunded promises.
The lesser evil is clear. Most of the harm Mr. Trump has caused, and will cause in another term, will pass when he leaves office. It will take time but civil dialogue can be restored, foreign relationships repaired, tariffs repealed, executive orders revoked, and new people appointed to important positions. Contrary to the “resistance,†democracy and the rule of law are not in peril. Mr. Trump is a product of democracy, and the courts—including judges appointed since 2017—continue to enforce the law.
If Mr. Sanders’s socialist agenda were to become a reality, undoing it would be nearly impossible. Once created, social-welfare programs are almost never reversed. It is a one-way ratchet to more spending, mounting debt and growing dependence on government at the expense of individual responsibility. Lawmakers have known for decades that Social Security and Medicare are unsustainable without major reforms, but there are no reforms.
Everything government does is funded by the capitalist economy that Mr. Sanders’s proposed policies would deliberately undermine. Some hope that even Democratic congressional majorities would put the brakes on a President Sanders’s agenda. But in an era of unbending party loyalty, moderates can’t rely on that. That’s why people like me may end up pulling the lever for Donald Trump.
I see people making the argument that they’ll hold their noses and vote for Sanders in November because he’s a better person than Donald Trump. I think they’re kidding themselves.
Once again, in Mr. Huffman we see a supposedly educated man who is just flat stupid. The choice in 2016 was between Trump, an in-your-face New Yorker and Clinton, a monster of historic proportions. The choice was between Trump’s style and Clinton’s actual moral depravity. Anyone who did not see that then, and focused on Trump’s style, shares Clinton’s depravity.
As it turns out, from a conservative viewpoint, Trump has been the most successful President since Eisenhower. Anyone Republican who doesn’t see that is really, really stupid, as is Huffman.
Not surprising and I’m sure he is not alone.
I’ve been debating over at OTB on this very subject and a lot of people on the left or who are actually “anyone but Trump” do not seem to understand that there are degrees of Trump opposition, limits on what people will do to oppose him, even to the extent of being “forced” to vote for him.
Democrats are in a pickle. If they nominate Bernie, a lot of #neverTrumpers who voted for Hillary will vote for Trump instead under the lesser evil calculus. If they don’t nominate Bernie, the Bernie Bros will cry and vote for Stein or not vote at all.
Trump’s lack of civility and abrasive personality seem to take top billing for those who detest him. and hope he doesn’t secure a 2nd term. However, bob sykes comments ring true in how his policies, judicial choices are seen as conservatively “successful,†giving moderates/conservatives enormous reasons to vote for him over the absurd array of candidates on the democrat bench.
I also think Andy made a significant point about the Dems being between a rock and a hard place, regarding the twin down sides of Bernie getting the democrat nomination or not. Either way, there will be negative consequences.
Tell me about it. Basically, Michael ghosted me because I am not sufficiently opposed to Trump to suit him. He views that as a catastrophic moral failure on my part.
‘Mr. Trump has been even worse as president than I imagined—less civil, less informed, more demagogic. ‘
‘They may like some of the things Mr. Trump has done, but they can’t abide his rude behavior, narcissism and disregard for the truth.’
I’ve seen it time and time again: It’s not so much his actions that make Never-Trumpers want to throw up while staggering to pull the Non-Trump lever, it’s he’s so ‘UnPresidential’. And so adept at bypassing the MSM spin-and-interpret machine by speaking directly to the people through his tweets. So adept at revealing to the world at large the incompetence and narcissism of the so-called ‘experts’. Showing how their ‘management’ of problems never actually result in solutions or even partial solutions while keeping armies of bureaucrats and consultants with agendas busily employed.
So are they saying that if Trump had been a lying smooth-talking con man adept at mouthing platitudes (like Bill Clinton and Obama), but with the same policies and performance they would have voted for him? I sincerely doubt it. His ‘bad’ policies are bad because they’re not the ones the Right People have endorsed. Questioning the judgment of the Right People is so gauche and unAmerican.
IMO he’s been very restrained towards his bitter political enemies. I know that if I were POTUS and a certain Senator threatened me with a ‘six ways from Sunday’ remark I wouldn’t stop firing, investigating, and indicting people who I didn’t trust with crimes until there were no more people I didn’t trust in the government, and do an Andy Jackson on Congress and the Courts if they tried to restrain me. Bureaucrats don’t set policy, their superiors set policy, and POTUS is the ultimate superior. They forgot that the last couple of decades, and it showed during the House Impeachment testimonies. I’ve experienced the immeasurable joy of having insubordinate employees who I couldn’t get rid of, and it’s no fun at all. Variations on ‘Could but won’t’ get real old after the first couple of times.
As Carville and others have observed, Bernie is the Democrats’ Corbyn. He’s their green kryptonite. Because he’s brash enough, and obsessed enough, to not disguise what he wants for America. He doesn’t care about the cost of his policies because to him instituting them is a moral cause. That’s why he’s so dismissive about how to pay for them. When the lives of the people and future generations, the planet, are at stake, to even think about how to pay for it is unutterably cynical and evil.
So, Michael still posts @ OTB. Ah, the voice of literary reason!
Amy Klobuchar has just dropped out. The Never-Bernies are consolidating behind Biden faster than I would have thought.
So our Democratic choices are now Demented, Dementia, Faux, and Micromanage? How has the Democratic Party come down to this? I’m sure there will be books upon books after the election lamenting How We Could have Gone so Nuts or something like that.
“Tell me about it. Basically, Michael ghosted me because I am not sufficiently opposed to Trump to suit him. He views that as a catastrophic moral failure on my part.”
Not sure how often you read the comments there anymore, but he lumps you a category of people who are blinded because you are a ‘white man of a certain age.’
I think it was sometime last year he said that I was a traitor and unamerican for voting for Gary Johnson instead of Hillary. But it’s strange. Half the time he calls me names and impugns my integrity and the other half of the time he’s nice and reasonable. More and more often though he deploys the “white privileged man” counter to my points he doesn’t agree with.
That’s too bad. I would have voted for her in preference to either Biden or Bloomberg. Now I’m likely to vote for Biden because my vote will do him more good than it would Bloomberg.
Dave,
What timing, Michael just wrote:
https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/super-monday-open-forum/#comment-2498395
Interesting. Clearly, he doesn’t understand me at all.
First off, this style thing with Trump is just BS. He is not just an abrasive New Yorker. He is a morally depraved crook. Look at his history. Those of us who live in the Northeast have been stuck listening to the guy for years. Character actually does matter when it comes to leadership. On top of that he is pretty ignorant (not stupid, stuff he is interested in like real estate and reality TV he knows well). There are tons of good reasons to not vote for him. Fortunately he is pretty lazy so he hasn’t accomplished much, no matter what he tells you. (OK, I know that was a waste of time as you guys all believe anything Trump tells you, but I have to try.) And his bad policies really are bad. A wall will do very little. As I need to keep reminding you guys, I have actually climbed a wall. Isn’t that hard.
But to the issue of Bernie and voting, I wont vote for Trump. As a veteran and Christian and since I value some sense of integrity (and his policies suck for the most part) I wont vote for him. However, Bernie is bad enough that I dont know if I can vote for him. I have met with our local congresswoman and she says there is no way in hell Congress will pass his extreme measures. And with Bernie we would at least have a relatively honest person who might believe what he actually says. Still, his views are pretty far out and he almost seems to enjoy alienating people with his self-righteous schtick. I dont see him as an effective leader at this point. May have to vote third party. I am hoping some well endowed hooker runs third party so I can at least enjoy looking at one of the candidates.
Steve
I believe I posted earlier, Mrs. Clinton was voted the most admired woman in America 22! different years. Many, Many voters don’t see things the way most commentators here do.
I believe she is amoral, with an appetite for power stronger even than her fear of death. Her avarice for power is unmatched by anyone except the sexagenarian performer Madonna writhing sexually on surgically repaired hips and knees in absolute pain unable to just sit down and call it good.
Again, most Americans when polled, say they admire Mrs. Clinton and would vote to give her power over their lives.
Go figure, I cannot.
“So, Michael still posts @ OTB. Ah, the voice of literary reason!â€
It primarily consists of calling you a racist, stupid or a traitor if you disagree with him.
That said Kurtz the Intellectual (and Bernie Bro) vs Reynolds can be entertaining. In small doses.
There are many adjectives and descriptive nouns that can be employed when painting a picture of Trump. But, “lazy†is certainly not one of them. Hyperactive, energetic, multi-tasking are far more accurate. The sheer number of meetings, round table discussions, on-the-go pressers, of course rallies, are mind-boggling.
In contrast, Obama seemed to be barely present in his government service. News conferences were rare. His WH calendar was heavily filled with names of activists and entertainers. In fact, when did Obama ever meet, face to face, with those representing the private sector, small business employers, farmers, pastors, workers representing a variety of industries? Basically, under the current administration the Oval Office’s access has been restored to the common citizen – a rare occurrence under the previous, more glamor oriented presidency.
Also, the so-called accomplishments credited to Trump are not simply by-products of lip service politics. Rather, they are real policies challenging consensus type thinking, addressing issues sidestepped by previous presidencies, and for the most part well received and rendering positive outcomes. IOW, it’s not what Trump says, but what actions he has taken, along with a high percentage of commitments kept.
If you Google Obama meets business leaders you get pages of articles about many meetings with business execs. Same thing with Christian leaders. Google Obama meets small business leaders. I will stop there since it is getting repetitive. WE have no idea who Trump meets with since they shut off access to his calendar.
Trump is intellectually lazy. He, and his supporters, brag about his not reading anything. He was willing to sign stuff, but not follow up to make sure stuff gets done. Totally uninvolved in the health care effort by his party. He makes no effort to appeal to anyone but his base. Yes, he likes to go to rallies, for the adulation. (I really, really dont get this at all, but that is just me I guess. There has not been, is not presently and will never be some politician I am going to go slobber over like you guys do.)
Steve