More on Those Nodules

At Atlantic James Hamblin touches and expands on the question I asked yesterday:

A nodule is, by definition, fewer than 3 centimeters (around an inch) in diameter. These two nodules are now gone, and there are apparently no others remaining.

But the word that makes the statement more complicated and concerning is two.

Pulmonary nodules are indeed extremely common, and most are benign. To find two malignant nodules in a person who smokes would not be especially surprising. However, if you have two separate malignant nodules in your lung and you do not smoke, doctors worry that this means they represent metastatic disease from a cancer somewhere else.

This is especially true if the patient has a history of cancer, as Ginsburg does. She had early-stage colon and pancreatic cancers removed in 1999 and 2009, respectively.

Lung nodules are generally removed when they are deemed suspicious for malignancy, meaning they either showed signs of growth or were not seen on prior oncologic screening. “Growing pulmonary nodules can be primary lung cancers, and synchronous ones do appear,” says Howard Forman, a radiologist and professor at Yale. “But in a patient with two primary known malignancies, we would need to know the pathology of the nodules before believing she is cured.”

The pathology report can tell us if the malignant cells are lung cancer—meaning a rare case of two simultaneous new lung cancers in a nonsmoker—or if they represent a recurrence of metastatic colon or pancreatic cancer, or if they are of some other origin. If this is the case, it would raise concern that although current scans showed no evidence of metastatic disease elsewhere, there could be yet-undetectable cancer cells already seeded in Ginsburg’s body.

The fact that the statement says the nodules are indeed malignant means that at least a preliminary pathology report has been done, but this crucial detail—what type of malignancy?—was either unclear or withheld from the statement. It reads only: “According to the thoracic surgeon, Valerie W. Rusch, MD, FACS, both nodules removed during surgery were found to be malignant on initial pathology evaluation.” (I emailed Rusch, who told me, “We have no additional information on the pathology at the present time.”)

Read the whole thing. This story is ongoing and will be for some time to come.

Why am I dwelling on this? If Justice Ginsburg were to die or become incapacitated, it could occasion the toughest, meanest, most divisive political battle of my lifetime. Think the last two years have been disruptive and violated norms? You ain’t heard nothin’ yet.

5 comments… add one
  • Guarneri Link

    I was wondering when you’d get to the money line there in the last paragraph.

    Steve would know better than anyone, but the pathology exam will reveal all………except whether there are seeded cells elsewhere. That will be a function of cell type and historical norms. BTW – from detection of lung tumors to death was only seven weeks for my mother.

    Let’s hope she does well. If she does not, the politics will simply become horrific. If Trump were to nominate a women, will lesbians from her high school start crawling out? That’s not a smart ass comment given the Kavanaugh situation.

  • BTW – from detection of lung tumors to death was only seven weeks for my mother.

    For my mom it was about a week.

  • steve Link

    Just wait for the pathology. A little unusual there were no lymph nodes if it was truly metastatic from another primary.

    It will likely get ugly. The didn’t find lesbians for Goresuch, Alito, Roberts, so I dont see any reason for Drew’s claim. Kavanaugh was a party boy and paid the price for that, but he got his nomination. The fact is that the GOP holds the Senate. They can do whatever they want. That was true with Kavanaugh. The Democrats had zero power to stop his confirmation. They will have zero power to stop the next one.

    Steve

  • Guarneri Link

    Wow. That had to be traumatic, Dave. (No need to respond).

  • I had similar experiences with both parents. More than a half century ago my dad went into the hospital for tests and a week later he was dead. He had been a relatively young man, a non-smoker with no previous diagnosis of serious illness.

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