I see that Chris Cillizza has now jumped into the basket of deplorables (alongside Matt Lauer) under the category of “conspiracy-mongering misogynist”. Writing at his Washingon Post column:
Hillary Clinton falling ill Sunday morning at a memorial service on the 15th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks will catapult questions about her health from the ranks of conservative conspiracy theory to perhaps the central debate in the presidential race over the coming days.
“Secretary Clinton attended the September 11th Commemoration Ceremony for just an hour and thirty minutes this morning to pay her respects and greet some of the families of the fallen,” spokesman Nick Merrill said. “During the ceremony, she felt overheated, so departed to go to her daughter’s apartment and is feeling much better.”
What that statement leaves out is that a) it came 90 minutes after Clinton left the ceremony b) reporters — or even a reporter — were not allowed to follow her and c) the temperature in New York City at the time of Clinton’s overheating was in the low 80s. (A heat wave over the eastern United States broke last night/this morning.)
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Whereas Clinton and her campaign could laugh off questions about her health before today, the “overheating” episode makes it almost impossible for them to do so. Not only has it come at a time when there was growing chatter — with very little evidence — that her health was a problem but it also happened at a 9/11 memorial event — an incredibly high-profile moment with lots and lots of cameras and reporters around.
Her campaign may well try to dismiss this story as nothing more than an isolated incident, meaning nothing. (Democrats were already pushing the story of George W. Bush fainting in 2002 after choking on a pretzel, via Twitter.)
But the issue is that Clinton kept reporters totally in the dark for 90 minutes after her abrupt departure from the 9/11 memorial service for a health-related matter. No reporter was allowed to follow her. (Clinton has resisted a protective pool for coverage because Donald Trump refuses to participate in one.) This is, yet again, the Clinton campaign asking everyone to just trust it.
I’ve made no secret of my distaste for Hillary Clinton and I am repeatedly on the record as pledging that there are no circumstances under which I would vote for Donald Trump. This is a timely point at which to repeat something I’ve said before: they’re both too old to be president. I don’t care what their personal physicians say. They’re physicians not augurs. I also don’t care how long their parents lived. The presidency is a hard, wearing job. It takes a lot out of a younger person and with the ages of these candidates and the stresses of the modern presidency, their ages are a significant risk.
This is why we have Vice Presidents.
She is probably fine — she’s been campaigning in a heat wave, and it caught up to her, or something else pretty innocuous. The degree of her collapse is probably because she was trying to not leave earlier, and then let it get out of hand. Lots of people didn’t have feinting spells, but lots of people haven’t been keeping her schedule.
But, even if she is not fine, this is why we have Vice Presidents. It would be disruptive if she suddenly died, but not a massive crisis. Less disruptive than a Trump Presidency, which honestly could rise to the level of a massive crisis.
To not vote for Trump is the equvalent of shooting your child in the head. If Hillary wins, your child will not have a future.
THEY won’t let her die. Ask Dick Cheney.
You missed the boat, Gustopher. If you look closely it’s the Secret Service agent who collapsed. And Hillary gallantly saved him but was tripped in the process. That part of the tape was mysteriously removed by conspiracists……something about bleachbit. At least that’s what the campaign is saying.
Tell your buds at OTB and you’ll get twenty thumbs up.
But somehow things were different when St. Ronnie was annointed Grand Poobah. Back in a time long,long ago and far,far away. I am neither a Trump or Clinton man but a realist and lover of truth.
I’m not sure what your point is. I didn’t vote for Reagan either time he ran and I held no particular fondness for him. I thought Reagan was too old, too, and I think that events have largely proven that was the case. But not every post is about everything and this one isn’t about Ronald Reagan or every candidate that’s been too old for the job of president but about the candidates running today.
The idea that because you think Hillary Clinton is an inferior candidate you’re necessarily a Republican is fatuous. A lot of Democrats voted for somebody other than Hillary Clinton in the primaries and all of the Republicans did.
The same can be said of Donald Trump. He, too, is an inferior candidate and most primary voters voted for somebody else.
Choosing between Trump and Clinton is like choosing whether you want to be shot or hanged. Either way you’re dead.
Gary Johnson is 63 and physically fit.
I find Hillary disappointing because she didn’t come up with a better container for use. BUCKET of deplorables would have been a much better phrase. Baskets contain nice things, like flowers, or fixings for a picnic, or scrumptious delectables to take to grandmother. Buckets contain slop, or swill, or shit, or vomit, and so on. She finally comes up with a memorable phrase for this campaign and she completely fucks it up.
Sad.
They both should be examined by independent examiners. Until that happens there’s no real issue and the hapless speculation is going to benefit Hillary Clinton, unless she collapses on stage and starts writhing during a debate. Everyone on the right takes it as an article of faith that Americans hate the media. Well, two weeks of analysis of an older woman who says she had pneumonia and was feeling faint is going to work to her advantage, as long as she doesn’t start writhing.
hahahahaha, she’s got pneumonia! hahahahahaha! After being told endlessly that everything is fine, the stupid fucking press corps couldn’t spot that she had walking pneumonia until she had falling down pneumonia! Fucking incompetents!
Note too that they were blatantly lying earlier today when stating that she was just feeling feint from the heat. What else have they been lying about concerning HRC’s health? Is the press REALLY this incompetent & incurious, or are they just that in the bag to the Clintons? (One wonders how much money has made it from the Clinton Foundation into the pockets of the reporters who cover her.)
This campaign just keeps getting funnier!
I am on record stating that the Dems would never nominate someone as old as Hillary for President, because they hadn’t done anything like that since about 1872, and had only nominated one person over sixty in the time frame, I believe it was. So, I was wrong about that.
The interesting thing, though, is why did things change now? I suspect it has something to do with the relentless self-absorption of Baby Boomers. They just won’t leave the stage, no matter what. Unless, of course, they’re carried off the stage because they can’t physically stand up any more.
Low energy.
Sad.
Anyone still read Andrew Sullivan? I’m wondering if he’s as concerned about Hillary’s health as he was about the wombs and vaginas of Sarah Palin’s daughters. Probably not.
Congratulations, …, you cheer old people getting pneumonia!
You have found an acute infection to be confirmation of your belief in an old person having chronic conditions. Well misdiagnosed, …, it takes a man of surprisingly little medical knowledge to conflate the two, but you’ve done it!
This is killing me!
A couple of selections from around the web:
“Be [that] as it may, her body is now so deplorable that come election day it will drag itself to the voting booth and cast a vote for Trump.â€
“Trump should tweet his best wishes and offer to suspend campaigning for a day as a gesture. On his day off he could swim the Yangtze.â€
“Congratulations, …, you cheer old people getting pneumonia!”
I cheer this old person getting pneumonia, just as I would Fidel Castro or some Iranian ayatollah. She means nothing but ill towards me and mine, so fuck her.
As for the rest, you are missing the point, which is that we keep being told how healthy she is, even when she’s been walking around with pneumonia for several days. The story this morning was originally that she was only feeling a little faint from the (non-existent) heat. By this evening she had pneumonia. Of course, she has pneumonia, but spends 90 minutes in close proximity to many others, and then spends time with her two small grandchildren, and then does the photo-op with the little girl, but whatevs, right?
So, if they were lying about that, what else are they lying about, health-wise? The coughing, the staggering and physical weakness she has been showing all year… She’s either been drunk or under the effects of some illness/medicinal treatment regime all year long. I’ve been around both enough drunks and enough sick old people to recognize it. It’s actually not that hard to do.
And in my personal experience, I’ve done better than the doctors in noticing that something is wrong. They’ve managed to kill a few people close to me by misdiagnosing or failing to diagnose serious issues, such as cancer, several times. I couldn’t tell that my mother had thymic carcinoma, but I knew goddamned well and good that she WAS NOT well and good. But every doctor we saw assumed her pains were from a shoulder injury (which she didn’t have and had never had, which we told them) and from old age. By the time she finally collapsed and was in the hospital, the tumor had grow into her aorta and other plumbing running into her heart. Similar stories go with both my father’s death, and my father-in-law’s death. Doctors are slightly better than witch doctors, but only half as honest, and much more expensive.
So, keep telling me how healthy she is. You would even if you knew for a fact that she was dying of the cholera, and the rabies, and the plague, so just keep it up.
#BUCKETofDeplorables
It is true that alcoholics have great difficulty controlling body temperature and suffer heat stroke easily, but only when they are sober.
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Well, I dorked that link up…