I agree with everything that Phil Gramm and Donald J. Boudreaux say in their latest Wall Street Journal op-ed about tariffs. Here’s a sample:
It’s true that America had high tariffs throughout the 19th century and experienced substantial economic growth. But tariffs were the nation’s primary revenue source until the ratification of the 16th Amendment—which authorized income taxes—in 1913. Alexander Hamilton, who supported industrial subsidies that Congress rejected, was skeptical of high tariffs since no tax revenue is collected on goods that tariffs keep out of the country and tariffs funded about 90% of the government.
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Proponents of more government spending used the politically expedient argument that tariffs helped infant industries by protecting them from foreign competition. But in 1831 the nation’s longest serving secretary of the Treasury, Albert Gallatin, rejected the conclusion that high tariffs promoted economic growth. He wrote that “the American people, amidst all the fluctuations and vicissitudes incident to human affairs, had never ceased to make the most rapid progress in agriculture, arts, and commerce. To ascribe that unexampled and uninterrupted prosperity, which even legislative errors cannot arrest, to a tariff is one of the most strange delusions by which intelligent men have ever suffered themselves to be deceived.”
In 1875 the great British economist Alfred Marshall visited the U.S. to see whether protective tariffs fueled economic growth. Before his visit, Marshall thought the infant industry argument for tariffs might have merit. What he observed in the U.S. changed his mind. In 1903, reflecting on his trip, Marshall wrote: “I found that, however simple the plan on which a protective policy started, it was drawn on irresistibly to become intricate; and to lend its chief aid to those industries which were already strong enough to do without it.”
I agree that tariffs are lousy tools. I have two related questions for them though. First, let’s consider a simplified model of the U. S. economy. In this model we produce no actual physical products. No iron. No steel. No automobiles. No airplanes. No lumber. No minerals of any kind. No soy beans. No wheat. No physical products at all—just services.
We continue to need things to survive. How will we pay for the goods we need? Continue to inflate the currency? Won’t China refuse to take it eventually? Not to mention everyone else. Sell Land to China? That’s what we’re doing now. Here’s a pretty balanced primer on Chinese ownership of prime U. S. farmland. It’s also true of mines and timberland.
Here’s my second question. President Biden has said that if China attacks Taiwan, we will defend Taiwan. Every major U. S. weapons system requires components made in China. How would we fight a protracted conflict with China?
I think the answers to both of those questions is that we can’t and that it is an economic and security necessity that we make a lot more of the stuff we need and that we shouldn’t be using components made in China in our weapons systems at all. How do Mssrs. Gramm and Boudreaux propose that we accomplish that?
For thirty years I have been saying that it would be a lot less fun and a lot more expensive to reindustrialize than it would be not to deindustrialize in the first place.
I think the article imposes a false dichotomy on 19th century tariff policy. It was well understood that tariffs raise revenue and protect domestic production on a continuum. If you keep raising tariffs, at some point, they stop raising additional revenue because they deter imports (or domestic substitutes are available). Tariff levels were generally set to accomplish both protection and revenue without necessarily possessing the ability to predict the resulting balance.
They were also set with the purpose of disentangling the U.S. from Europe in general, and Great Britain in particular. This was geostrategic, Henry Clay believed his American System to be an outgrowth of the Monroe Doctrine and that other American (non-colony) states should be exempt from such tariffs. It was also to shield the American economy from panics originating in, or at least attributed to, European affairs.
Hamilton supported tariffs to support infant industries. Gallatin in 1832 supported a 25% tariff across the board; he disliked the injury specific carve-outs. If one is going to cite these people as support, I can only assume the authors would support tariffs like these as reasonable.
“I agree that tariffs are lousy tools. etc”
And democracy is the worst form of government, except all the rest. 20 years ago I was a doctrinaire free marketer. A good UofC guy. But my 30 yr profession (buying and, hopefully, improving and retaining as US entities US manufacturing companies) informs current views. And, to give credit, opinions expressed here, mostly by our host, that the beggar thy neighbor (heh, formally: mercantilist) policies of China, India, Mexico and yes, the EU, cannot be ignored. I have lived it.
I just yesterday listened to a debate between some guy and Trump in Chicago. SOS
The strategic needs of the country should provide an absolute baseline to Dave’s hypothetical. After that – and opinions expressed here previously – what about our knowledge base? Our innovation base? Our physical capital base? And where are productivity increases (read: increased prosperity) in this argument? Services are notoriously difficult to increasing productivity. We ignore these at the whim of blue sky progressive bullshit. And corporate opportunism. Shorter: China was crack cocaine………for awhile.
The counter is that US exporters will suffer under a tariff regime. I’ll take the gamble. As one might expect, I believe in US manufacturing. Just give the bastards a chance. It couldn’t be worse than what we have; the country is being gutted for the benefit of the elites – read: the progressives. Everyone doesn’t live in NYC, Chic, LA, SF etc. Its ghoulish.
1) You do realize we export services?
2) First, tariffs are popular because so many people falsely believe, as Trump claims, that the country exporting to the US actually pays the tariff. Not true. Now, as a matter of policy it is indirect. The hope is that US companies will build and produce since their competition is hobbled. It is explicitly admitting that US companies cannot compete with the rest fo the world.
However, there is no guarantee those companies will be built and it means that the companies which dont need the help will also benefit and raise prices ie we end up with slower overall economic growth. What we should do is acknowledge that the US cant build everything, that some stuff will be made more efficiently elsewhere. Where appropriate let’s find ways to make our companies more efficient by targeted relief of regulations, lower energy costs via renewables or subsidizing more research.
Then we need to decide what we need for national defense and subsidize those areas. It’s more direct and we are more likely to get what we want. Note that the TSMC facility in Arizona is already producing chips. Either way, we are engaging in industrial policy about which I have misgivings, but if we are going to do it lets target it rather than subsidize everyone with the vague hope we get the results we want. Of course all of this ignores the negative effects of tariffs including retaliation.
Steve
Most of the services we “export” are financial and insurance. Together those two sectors employ about 7-8 million people. That’s of roughly 162 million employed people–about 5% of the total. We’re not going to support the entire U. S. economy on that. Our goods exports are twice our services exports.
As far as our defense needs go, the entire supply chain for those needs must be in the U. S. It’s not enough to subsidize a few components. We need to be able to manufacture what’s used to make those components and what’s needed for those.
Alternatively, we could disarm ourselves unilaterally. I doubt we’d last long that way. What we’re doing now, relying on a prospective enemy for components and materials necessary for our own defense, is nuts.
Well, Dave beat me to it. My snark was to be “golly gosh, Steve, thanks for the insight”. And of course, it’s the hated financial services that provide most of the export. However, and after all, London and Dubai and the Far East can hold their own. As always, your ignorance shows.
Your comment on tariffs completely misses the point and shows utter ignorance. If the foreign good is priced up because of a tariff it’s not “who pays” as you envision. The consumer will not buy the foreign good. Rather, They will not be subsidized. But who protects the US worker? Apparently the Chinese govt putting US workers out of work to the benefit of US consumers is your goal. Easy to say for someone who worked in a subsidized industry all your life. Better: competitive markets (not mercantilist markets) will sort it out.
Lastly, you apparently have a very limp dick. I’d love to negotiate with you. You are so afraid of retaliation you want to roll over. Do you not understand we rolled over long ago? This is rectification now. China, the EU and India think we are patsies. Make a mean face and people like you will shrivel.
America needs to grow a pair. Restore a strategic sense for a minimum level of productive capacity, and stop tilting the markets. Let’s the chips fall..,