If you think the furor over leaving Syria and outrage over “abandoning the Kurds” is something, wait until we leave Afghanistan. In a piece at Foreign Affairs Carter Malkasian contemplates that eventuality:
A Taliban advance would likely follow a U.S. withdrawal. The events of the years 2014 to 2016 offer a cautionary tale. During those years, the United States minimized airstrikes, because it believed that doing so could allow the Afghans to learn to fight on their own. Instead, the Taliban all but captured several provinces, including Kunduz and Helmand. Heavy casualties and desertions thinned the ranks of the Afghan military and police. In 2016, the United States went back to permitting airstrikes and thus stemmed the Taliban advance.
If the president decides, whether in 2021 or before, to fully withdraw from Afghanistan, those airstrikes would cease. The United States would close all its bases and stop conducting surveillance in support of Afghan forces. All U.S. drones and troops would depart, including special operations forces and advisers. U.S. allies and coalition partners would undoubtedly pull out their 8,700 troops, too. Washington could continue to provide funding to the Afghan military at a reduced level, but Congress would be sorely tempted to eliminate such support once U.S. troops were out of harm’s way. Just how long a withdrawal would take is a matter of debate: the Obama administration once planned for a timeline of 30 months, but some have called for one that is even shorter.
Toward the end of the withdrawal process, the balance of military force within the country would tip. The Taliban’s leader, Mawlawi Haibatullah, would probably attack provincial centers such as Kunduz and Lashkar Gah. The Afghan army and police would not be able to defend these cities without U.S. air support. The following year, Haibatullah could escalate, striking big cities such as Kandahar and Jalalabad. Afghan special operations forces, the National Directorate of Security, and certain hard-bitten tribal leaders would fight tooth and nail. But chances are good that a significant number of soldiers and police would flee, leaving the Taliban tide to overwhelm the big provincial cities’ defenses.
Kabul itself could then spontaneously fall. Once tribal leaders, police, soldiers, and farmers sense which way the wind is blowing, the whole edifice of the Afghan state could collapse. Such was the sequence of events in 2001 and many times before, as Professor Thomas Barfield writes in Afghanistan: A Cultural and Political History: “The war did not have any decisive battles. Just as the Taliban had come to power by persuading people that they were winners without fighting . . . they lost the war in a reverse process.â€
But Kabul also stands a decent chance of surviving. Afghanistan’s army might concentrate on defending the capital, and Tajik, Uzbek, and Hazara warlords—who once made up the Northern Alliance—could mobilize militias to help. Outside powers could oppose the Taliban: Russia, in defense of long-standing Uzbek and Tajik friends; Iran, to protect the Shiite Hazaras; and India, in order to contain Pakistani influence. None of these countries can be assumed to step in fully behind the government, but a total Taliban victory would be in none of their interests.
Regardless of Kabul’s fate, however, the Taliban would control at least half the country, including several cities, fertile croplands, and mineral deposits. Under such circumstances, al Qaeda, ISIS, and like-minded groups would gain access to territory and resources. Other foreign terrorists would join them in Afghanistan, where a perceived Taliban victory over the United States would serve as a beacon to foreign extremists.
I do not believe there is any way to “win” in Afghanistan. The Afghan military and government have demonstrated no ability to stand on their own against the Taliban. We cannot eliminate the Taliban without antagonizing Pakistan and supporting our military efforts within Afghanistan would be prohibitively expensive without Pakistan’s cooperation. Consequently in order to “win” we would not only need to eliminate the Taliban within Afghanistan but pursue them into adjacent parts of Pakistan against Pakistani opposition and be prepared to fight the Pakistanis as well as the Taliban. And Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
If winning and successful counter-insurgency are beyond our reach, what’s left in Afghanistan? As I see it there are two viable alternatives. We could just leave, to massive domestic opposition of which the present opposition to withdrawing from Syria is a mild foretaste.
Or we could prepare to remain forever, keeping what has been characterized as a “small, lethal force” in Afghanistan on an indefinite basis with a strategy of counter-terrorism to prevent the contingency mentioned by Mr. Malkasian:
Under such circumstances, al Qaeda, ISIS, and like-minded groups would gain access to territory and resources. Other foreign terrorists would join them in Afghanistan, where a perceived Taliban victory over the United States would serve as a beacon to foreign extremists.
That essentially mimics Alexander’s strategy more than two millennia ago and he was the most successful invader of Afghanistan in history. If such a strategy were adopted, I think there would be a moral not to mention political necessity of selling it to the American people. IMO a significant fraction of Americans would just as soon obliterate Afghanistan utterly as remain there.
If there are rare earths or some other thing there besides poppies then by God let’s take them, lord knows we
Paid enough.
But if we say we are bringing freedom and democracy, they have that. Free to join the militia of their choice, voting with their feet. Regime change? When did it ever stop changing?
Otherwise, let’s boogie.
We have plenty of rare earths. We don’t produce or refine them here for regulatory reasons.
Environmental regulations you mean.
Environmental, health, safety, labor, etc.
“We could just leave, to massive domestic opposition of which the present opposition to withdrawing from Syria is a mild foretaste.”
Disagree. I think there would be some opposition but not a lot, especially if we actually planned it. Where we would have a problem is when reports came back that the place was falling apart, especially if we had a terror attack from that country. They there would be all kinds of accusations about leaving.
Steve
As I illustrated in response to your incorrect claim that the objections to withdrawing from Syria were to the manner of the withdrawal rather than the fact of it, The objections have been to the withdrawal not just its manner. For similar reasons there would be objections to any withdrawal from “experts” on both sides of the aisle and inevitable charges that we were “abandoning the Afghans”.
I think you’re just closing your eyes to the reality of the situation. The foreign policy establishment, whether left or right, are overwhelmingly interventionist and committed to U. S. occupation of the Middle East and West Asia on what amounts to a permanent basis.
“ The foreign policy establishment, whether left or right, are overwhelmingly interventionist and committed to U. S. occupation of the Middle East and West Asia on what amounts to a permanent basis.â€
Although I’m sure there are some who are true believers, there’s a lot of gold in them thar hills.
Left interventionists tend to want to save the locals from their leaders or bring their wisdom to the locals (birth control, abortion, women’s rights, and so on). Right interventions tend, like the late John McCain, to believe that interventions promote “American greatness” or something of the sort. But they’re interventionists whatever their motives.
Also career military commanders and well meaning neocon politicians want to have seasoned and battle tested soldiers in case of need, maybe the Afghans are just target practice.
I don’t know who this character Bacevich is,:
“Once the United States fought wars to end them. Today it seemingly fights wars to perpetuate them.
To his credit, Trump has apparently intuited that there’s something amiss here. For this Commander-in-Chief, any war that drags on and on is by definition a failure.
Yet few members of the present day national security establishment are inclined to see things that way. They have come to accept long wars as tolerable — indeed, to appropriate Sen. McConnell’s phrase, as concrete manifestations of ‘American leadership’. Keeping US forces in Syria, uncomfortably wedged in between Turks, Kurds, the regime of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, and the remnants of Isis, with Russia and Iran lurking in the wings, apparently satisfies this conception of what it means to ‘lead’.
Trump ain’t buying. Having suckered plenty of others during his career as a highflying real estate developer, he knows a bum deal when he sees one. Yet the problem with Trump — OK, one of the many problems — is that he is clueless about how to translate his aversion to endless war into anything akin to a plausible basis for policy. He possesses neither the intellectual capacity nor the attention span needed to devise an approach to ‘American leadership’ that is not centered on the continuous use or threatened use of force. So while Trump’s anti-war instincts have considerable merit, he is incapable of translating instinct into anything remotely approximating an alternative.”
but I think he’s a bit too cute. Its easy to attack Trumps intellectual capacity or attention span (hey, zero, run for president and enlighten us with your brilliance; I noted no solution) but at least he acknowledges that Trump’s instincts are good.
In case anyone hasn’t noticed, a theme in my comments recently is pointing out the tiresome vapid criticisms of Trump like the angry old men in the old Muppets show. (Jan actually first observed this awhile back; I’m ripping her off.) Just go read Mataconis at OTB. Selective outrage. No prescriptions. Petty, just petty, criticisms. Just bitching to bitch. Bacevich falls into the trap.
As for me, I hope to provide more prescriptions or just stand down.
I know this will sound xenophobic, but I hope when we cut and run, we don’t bring as many Afghans here, in our vacuum of retreat, as we did Vietnamese. I’m just starting to feel crowded out by multiculturalism. The Afghans can’t very well become “boat people”, but President Warren could decide to “extract” a few million of our former allies.
Bacevich isn’t saying much different than what many of us have been saying. Leaving Syria is a good idea. How you do it matters. Taking those troops and putting them in Saudi Arabia is almost worse than leaving troops in Syria.
Bacevich was, IIRC, Army and retired as an O-6 or O-7. His son died while serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. I believe that he now teaches military history somewhere in Boston. He is generally opposed our overly interventionist policies. I think that he is almost always worth reading. Drew won’t like him all that much, none of you Trumpkins will, since he criticizes both Democrats and Republicans.
Steve