So now we wait. There has been no Biden landslide, no repudiation of Trump. But neither have there been enough “shy Trump voters” or mischievous ones as Scott Adams has suggested to make Trump a clear winner. As of this writing the presidential election, the status of the Senate, and the status of the House are all open questions. Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Nevada have yet to be called one way or another and it could potentially be weeks before they are. Pretty 19th century.
The courts may decide the election.
What all of this tells us is that there really is a national difference of opinion and as Plato pointed out a couple of millennia ago we need to be able to compromise. I see no basis for compromise which does not portend well for the future.
Isn’t the most likely result (as of Wednesday morning) close to your optimal scenario?
A very close Biden win with a Republican senate and a reduced Democrat House majority that ought to temper any radical instincts?
Through it maybe an ugly path to get to that outcome.
To be honest; I thought both men disqualified themselves from the office by claiming victory before all the votes in the decisive states were counted.
I think they disqualified themselves earlier than that. Trump’s constant counter-factual pronouncements, most recently that the results must be known by election night, and Biden’s selection of Kamala Harris as running mate are both highly problematic.
As to what the final outcome will be it’s just too early to tell.
I think your observation that liberals leaving the states they wrecked, but keeping their party affiliation, is correct. See: CA –> AZ. AZ is a state of people from elsewhere.
Contra SC. Mace and Graham won handily.
The basic difference between California and Arizona is that Arizona is unlivable without cheap electricity. With the exception of places like Twentynine Palms much of California is completely livable without either heating or air conditioning.
I agree with Curious about being disappointed in both men claiming victory without first achieving it. However, it was already a known dem strategy to have news outlets quickly call states for Biden, who would then take their projected wins as a means to declare a quick victory. Trump’s call, IMO, was less premeditated, and more out of frustration for the late calls regarding states he won, followed by sudden halts to counting in the swing states in which he was ahead.
In general, I’m finding our elections to be less trustworthy, especially with all the juggling of ballot verification and cut-off times to when they can be counted. Add in the latest ballot harvesting and granny farming methods introduced by the Dems, counting votes has become more of a gaming event – which party can out-exploit the other party without being called on the carpet by some kind of jurisprudence being brought into the game.
I suspect the greatest sticking point will be extra-legal extensions by decree which are happening in some states.
Well, I think I was the only to say it was too close to call so I will claim victory on predictions! Compromise wont happen. Too many people making lots of money to keep that from happening.
Steve
What has this nation done to deserve this year; these candidates; this election.
Almost feels it’s time for sackcloth.
Biden claimed victory? Last I heard he was urging patience.
“The basic difference between California and Arizona is that Arizona is unlivable without cheap electricity.”
That’s true for much of the southern 1/3 of the US.
I grew up in St. Louis without air conditioning. From June 15 to September 15 are miserable there without it but it can be lived with. I think that’s a lot less true of Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and a lot of Texas. Without looking it up I would speculate that their populations began to soar after about 1960 and air conditioning/electricity were a big part of that.
Andy, For an article on what Biden said last night.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/11/4/21548728/2020-election-biden-speech-on-track
That was before Trumps statement.
“We believe we’re on track to win this election.” does not sound like declaring victory to me. Trump’s “Frankly, we did win” does.
Anyway, I don’t think it matters much and is irrelevant. The media jumping on Trump’s statement is par-for-the-course these last four years.