I agree with the editors of Bloomberg: Donald Trump does not have a plan for the economy. He has a posture.
An even better formulation was stated in comments here. A vote for Trump isn’t a vote for a policy. It’s a vote for Trump.
No, thank you.
We want something else.
Why pick the Left Nut or the Right Nut when you can have the Johnson.
THAT would be something else.
Why choose the Left Nut or the Right Nut when you can choose the Wing Nut? Vote Libertarian, and then strip off your clothes at the polling station!
A vote for Trump is actually just an FU to the rest. He’s the only one who ran opposed to the Invade the World/Invite the World orthodoxy. It took someone that brash, and we’ll known , and flamboyant to break through the media imposed silence on any other posture.
Well known, that is.
Supposedly, the problem in Washington DC was too much partisanship. We needed politicians who would work together in a bipartisan way. Donald Trump is ready to negotiate with the other side, and suddenly, bipartisanship is out the door. If I understand correctly, Democrats and others admire Sen. Cruz’s unwavering adherence to his principles. Yeah, right.
Rep. Pelosi is one of the smartest people in the whole wide world, and she knows that you must pass a Bill to see what is in it. Suddenly, Donald Trump’s bill must have every last detail before he has even been elected or there is a Congress to work with. Of course, he must not accede the slightest point to the other side, according to his critics.
We must have Donald Trump’s tax returns. They are on Lois Lerner’s hard drive. Maybe, the Russians could work on that as well. I think he emailed a copy to Hillary Clinton. Once the Obama Justice Department finds the 30,000 emails, they can make it public.
Being an undocumented worker in the US is the highest calling one can follow. It is almost enough to make the most progressive progressives renounce their citizenship, become an illegal alien, and work illegally. It is such an important issue that the unscientific and artificial construct called race was intentionally misapplied to nationality further distorting the supposed meaninglessness of it. (All this is done by the smartest people in the whole wide world, and we are assured of this because they passed a test they devised to show they are the smartest people in the whole wide world.)
Every illegal alien is never to be questioned. Melania Knavs is the sole exception to this rule, and this is because her last name is now Trump. One wonders if she would suddenly have this exception removed upon turning upon him. I somehow suspect that the newly found Sen. Cruz acolytes would find a reason the exception never mattered.
I find it amusing that the Trump haters must twist themselves into knots to find reasons to hate him. Here: “I hate Trump.” I suspect that your problem is that you really dislike the status quo, and you know it must go. The only way to get rid of it is to blow up, at least, large portions of it, and you are loathe to admit it. You know Trump is the only one able to do it, but you do not want to admit or be a part of it. When it is all finished, you can reluctantly support the result but disavow the means.
In some ways, I and possibly @Icepick and a few others are exactly opposites. I support the means, and I really do not care about the result. It would be nice if things changed, but I am fairly jaded. Besides, I have hot dogs, marshmallows, and sticks to roast/toast them, and if I thought he would (or could) nuke a few places, I would stuff ballot boxes myself.
“I find it amusing that the Trump haters must twist themselves into knots to find reasons to hate him.”
We should like Trump because he doesn’t tell us his plans, we should just vote for him because he is the greatest. Sure. (Those of us who live in the NE have long had to put up with self-aggrandizing Trump while realizing how sleazy he is. Even for a real estate developer, a group with a lot of sleaze, he is especially bad. That, plus all of the outright fraud, and the bragging about skirt chasing and how great he is in bed. I mean, if he was running for reality star king, you can’t do much better. President? Nah.)
Steve
Query- Do you think Aldo stole that dance from Groucho? I always thought it was the inspiration for that.
Steve
Alda.
Steve, the point is the highly selective double standards. Pelosi can’t even be bothered to find out what’s in legislation she supposedly wrote, but you nor any other Dem thought that was anything but pure brilliance. The Donald doesn’t have detailed descriptions on what went wrong when Napoleon invaded Russia & it’s a sign of …. something details are really clear. You know, like the PPACA!
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But TB is right, I just want to watch the world burn in the hope that a few of the right people take it in the ass. The rest of us are fucked anyway, so what difference, at this point, does it make?
@steve
You are not a Trump hater. You are a Democrat, progressive, liberal, Hillary supporter, Hillery lover, all of these, or just some of these. Hillary Clinton may not be your first choice, but I would guess she has a long way to go before you would hate her.
A Trump hater would be a Republican, or they would be somebody who will not vote for Hillary Clinton because the system needs to change or something similar.
To be clear, many Bernie Sanders supporters are not Trump haters, but they will never vote for him. There are Trump supporters who would not vote for Sen. Sanders, but they agree with a lot of what he has to say.
I expect loyal or good Democrats to do whatever is required to keep the Republican from winning. Before 2008, Sen. McCain was the greatest Republican any Democrat had ever known, but as soon as he became the nominee, he became the worst human being in the whole wide world.
If Trump loses and drops out of politics, Democrats will hail him as the perfect Republican. He is against foreign interventions. He is against Wall Street. He is against Big Banks. He is against hedge fund guys playing fast and loose with the tax code. He is against a rigged system that hurts the little guy. He wanted to help families with childcare costs, and he is fairly soft on most social issues.
Hypocrisy in politics, I’m shocked!
I want something else too.
I heard Trump doesn’t like babies. Wants Hillary assassinated, too. Yeah, it’s true. So therefore Hillary’s economic plan and foreign policy stance is great.
Spread the word. Not everyone watches NBC and CBS.
” He is against foreign interventions. He is against Wall Street. He is against Big Banks. He is against hedge fund guys playing fast and loose with the tax code. He is against a rigged system that hurts the little guy.”
Oh, what the hell. Let’s take those one by one.
Trump has said we should send troops into Syria, we should them to the stone age or we should stay out. Which one does he truly believe?
Trump has supported breaking up the Big banks. He has said we should not break up the Big banks. He supported the bailouts, then he has opposed the bailouts. He opposes Dodd-Frank. Just recently, I think, he supports reinstating Glass-Steagall. Which is the real Trump?
Uhh, he just named a bunch of hedge fund guys as his economic advisors. There is suggestive evidence that he has used the carried interest rule to avoid paying taxes.
This is the same guy who had 4 (at least) bankruptcies that hurt contractors and trades people in Atlantic City? The same guy who has a number of projects go south and potential condo/home buyers got stuck with lost money and no new home?
Go ahead, tell me which version(s) of Trump I should like. Also, please note where I ever said I liked Hillary. (God Bless. I was the one with the bowling ball joke!)
Ice- I know you live in this fantasy world where legislators read everything they vote on. I hate to break it to you, but they don’t. Their aides read the stuff. If they actually write a bill, I mean if they put their name on a bill a lobbyist writes for them, they might read it. However, since I read the bill before it passed, I am pretty sure Pelosi’s aides did also.
Detailed descriptions? AS I have noted above (and send you to the sites to support those) he has taken different sides on many , many issues, with vague ideas about nearly everything. I am not asking for a finished bill, I am just asking that if you are really serious about running for office, if you have been interested in the position for years (he was the frontrunner for a while in 2012) you ought to have more than just vague, contradictory plans. Since you aren’t interested in competence, ability or even demonstrated interest in the position, I can see how that doesn’t matter to you. Since you just want someone to destroy things, Trump is your guy. Heck, release the Unabomber. He can be your guy.
Steve
Oops, forgot. We all need to remember that the non-interventionist Trump, was an avid supporter of strong action in Libya.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/25/donald-trump/donald-trumps-pants-fire-claim-he-never-discussed-/
Steve,
I don’t really doubt your characterizations of Trump, but I also don’t really care enough to do the research. What I do know is the sme could be said of HC who has flipped flopped, “evolved” or whatever term you want to use. HC is “like a reed bending in the wind”
Not that I have a dog in this fight because I will never vote for either one of them. At this early stage I’m 90% sure I’m voting for the big Johnson.
@steve
You are for the Democrat nominee and against the Republican nominee. It does not matter who fills the slot. Whether you would have a beer or go out to dinner with them is not material.
If Trump loses, Democrats will cherry-pick the data to create the Trump they need to force the #NeverTrump Republicans to fall in line. If Trump wins, President Bush will suddenly become the greatest Republican president since Lincoln.
What you do not get is that some of us will not play your (or the other side’s) game. I quit a long time ago, but many of the Trump supporters have finally realized the system is fully rigged against them.
For those who cannot or will not understand what a rigged election is, it is simply like every other election of the past thirty, forty, or more years. Voters go to the polls and vote for candidates who ostensibly have different political, economic, foreign policy, etc. philosophies, and when the political party in power changes, there should be actual changes other than nameplates.
If this election is like like every other one, people from the political class will be elected, and they will put their interest’s ahead of everybody else’s while peddling bullshit about looking out for the people who elected them. When Barack Obama was elected, the chances of Dick Cheney or any CIA person being charged with a crime was zero.
In the Valerie Plame incident, Richard Armitage is a full member of the political class. Scooter Libby is not. Sandy Berger steals and destroys classified papers, and he gets a slap on the wrist. There is a reason why the Republicans would rather a Democrat than a rogue Republican. The system is rigged for them.
Many Trump supporters would rather not be Trump supporters. They would like to be good Republicans or good Democrats, but they cannot be. If technology or foreign doctors ever begin to threaten your job, you may also become a reluctant Trump supporter, but it may be too late.
I try to resist it, but I tend to think of humans as just another animal on the evolutionary path. I do not expect you or any other non-Trump supporter to judge him in an impartial way. You have a conclusion that you must support, and you will do it any way you can. You will mix and match standards between your side and the other. Your opponents do the same, and both of you believe that this is a fair and just system.
Everybody else is supposed to accept all of your exalted superiority because you all agree that you are all superior, and you all can prove this through the credentials you all have created. It is rather mind boggling, but the best is that you all have begun to eat your own bullshit. You all actually believe that the sh*t sandwich you want everybody to feast upon is a wonderful tasty feast, and you all are not only bewildered but also enraged that people do not want to eat your, somebody’s, or something’s feces no matter how much bread you promise them. It tastes the same no matter what you call it.