Stimulus Response

The White House is apparently considering additional fiscal stimulus:

Aug. 17 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama plans to ask Congress for billions of dollars in fresh spending to boost the economy and reduce unemployment, with a new focus on helping the long-term unemployed, an administration official said. The president also will call for long-term cuts beyond the $1.5 trillion that Congress has charged a 12-member bipartisan “super-committee” of lawmakers to trim by late November, the official said.

The dollar amount of the additional long-term deficit reduction measures will exceed the cost of the short-term spending that he will propose, said the official, who requested anonymity because plans for the speech haven’t been completed. According to the official, Obama plans to unveil his priorities in a speech in early September and propose a mix of tax cuts and infrastructure spending, including extending two measures that expire at the end of the year: the two-percentage-point payroll tax cut for workers and unemployment insurance benefits.

Econ prof Steve Suranovic has posted a two part series on the dangers of debt. Part I is here. Part II is here.

For a stronger, more direct indictment of fiscal stimulus see ZeroHedge.

I think it’s about time that I laid out my views on fiscal stimulus.

  1. I believe on theoretical grounds that a properly constructed fiscal stimulus can produce economic growth in excess of the amount of the stimulus itself by boosting aggregate demand. (i.e. can have a positive multiplier)
  2. I believe on empirical grounds that improperly constructed fiscal stimuli can have zero or negative multipliers.
  3. It is possible for fiscal stimulus to have social benefit in the form of doing things we want to do or economic benefit in the form of residuals, i.e. useful infrastructure spending.
  4. It is also possible for a fiscal stimulus program to have no lasting social or economic benefits. The money can just be pissed down the drain.
  5. The empirical evidence suggests this is just what happened.
  6. The stimulus plan of 2009 was not properly constructed. It was too much a grab bag of Congressional hot buttons.
  7. It is very difficult, possibly impossible, for Congress to construct a fiscal stimulus package properly.
  8. The empirical evidence of the effectiveness of fiscal stimulus in producing a self-sustaining recovery is weak, cf. Japan.
  9. None of the foregoing per se means that we shouldn’t engage in fiscal stimulus.
  10. We are currently engaging in fiscal stimulus to the tune of roughly 10% of GDP.
  11. That is likely to continue for the foreseeable future.
  12. Total public debt is near or at 100% of GDP.
  13. Primary default occurs when you must borrow to pay the interest on the public debt.
  14. There is no realistic prospect of our paying down the present public debt to manageable levels.
  15. We are presently paying about $500 billion per year in interest on the debt.
  16. Double that and we have reached primary default.
  17. Increasing the level of fiscal stimulus beyond the present 10% will hasten primary default.
  18. Unless the economy has a growth spurt and all other things being equal a fiscal stimulus of an additional 10% would result in primary default in five years.
  19. Primary default will occur even faster if interest rates rise.
  20. Getting out of the hole by minting more money is courting a loss of confidence in the currency and hyperinflation.
  21. Getting out of the hole by taxing more is risking a collapse in the economy. We’d need to raise almost three times the revenues we have now.
  22. You can’t accomplish that with taxes on “the rich”.
  23. There’s an impasse on the major expense items, e.g. defense, Medicare, Social Security.

Under the circumstances I think that it is incumbent on anyone who proposes additional fiscal stimulus to be very specific about how the money will be spent, for how long he or she plans to spend it, and what he or she expects it to accomplish. The long term is getting shorter all of the time.

5 comments… add one
  • All good points – I can’t really find anything to disagree with.

  • Drew Link

    I think points 1-4 were exactly the points made by my ex-prof Kevin Murphy in a video I sent you, or at least you were aware of.

    Technical quibbling. People react before primary default. That is, no one lends you money when they think you will only be able to pay interest. They want to have some notion of probability of principal repayment. That’s what the downgrade was really about – projections. Inane babble about the so called “Tea Party” aside.

    So. Where are we?

    I’m in the same place I’ve been for at least two decades:

    1. Bend down the cost curve. That would mean holding the line aganst Obama until 2012, then firing his sorry ass. And any members of Congress who don’t get the message as well. Hold nominal spending to +2% per year.

    2. Bend the GDP curve up. (I feel Reynolds going to his fridge to get all the rotten eggs at his disposal) Let the businessmen loose; the tigers out of the cage. For this to work ObamaCare has to be repealed, the tax code simplified (politically advantaged loopholes) and have some runway (5 years?) and stop the pandering to regulationists, idiot greenists and Obama-friend rent seekers. ie GM. How about a cap gains tax of 5% for 10 years? How about lowering energy costs by drilling/mining, and worry about saving the planet 25 years from now, and saving the economy now?

    3. Bite the bullet and make official the fraud perpetrated on the life long payers into the Medicare and SS systems. Means test. Yes. Government makes Enron execs look like saints. But we (at least sober realists) all already know that. Government and the pols in it are no good whores; government should be downsized. Throw people like me off the list. Its out and out fraud, but its a practical reality.

    Practical? Actually it is. But not with the motivations of the left, and their propaganda machine in the media. Wait………I’ll be back………I just saw a picture of a drowning polar bear……

  • I think the most that the Super Committee is likely to accomplish is to push primary default back until after Obama leaves office in 2016 (yes, I think it’s still likely that he’ll be re-elected). They just won’t think big enough.

    Social Security is actually the least of our problems. Minor tweaks, e.g. increasing Social Security retirement age a bit, increasing FICA max a bit, will keep it solvent for the foreseeable future.

    I can’t envision a level of GDP growth that would have a material impact on our fiscal picture. Remember, the longterm average increase in real GDP is 3%. When you throw out the bubbles of the last decade or so, 2% real growth is probably a rosy scenario.

    Medicare is really the dog in the manger and at this point I don’t see anything less than a complete overhaul of the entire healthcare system solving its problems. That won’t happen so the problems won’t get solved. Awful as that will be for the federal government it will be disastrous for state and local government.

    I don’t think we need to have a balanced budget. I do think that we need to restrain the deficit to less than GDP growth. A 2% deficit sounds about right to me.

    If we combined tax increases, spending cuts in defense and other discretionary spending, and the foreseeable line-holding on entitlements, a 2% deficit would be a dream on the distant horizon.

  • PD Shaw Link

    The House is apparently preparing a Simpson / Bowles style overhaul of the tax structure (lowering marginal rates while eliminating deductions) I don’t know if this is common knowledge, but since my Congressman ignored my e-mails on healthcare reform he makes me feel special with insights that won’t hit the newspapers for several days.

  • PD Shaw Link

    I probably agree with all of Dave’s data points, though towards the end I’m more uncertain about the unchartered waters of this type of debt ratio.

    I might nudge point seven with some additional explanation just because I’m not sure this is entirely a poltical problem as the statement might otherwise suggest to some:

    7. It is very difficult, possibly impossible, for Congress to construct a fiscal stimulus package properly [particularly for an economy this large, this specialized and this varried].

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