Where Have All the Flowers Gone?

Is it really true that Israel, Iran, the United States, and China are hurtling us down a path to war with Iran because each party thinks it can win? Ron Holland states his case.

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  • Icepick Link

    Ugh, I don’t want to read that. Off hand the only side that I can see “winning” would be China, if they stayed out of it. Even then they’d pay a price in increased energy costs.

    The US could theoretically win if we choose to ramp up the size of our Army, go in and occupy. But even with a huge increase in occupying forces (relative to population, and as I’ve mentioned many times here and elsewhere Iran is much larger than Iraq) I doubt that we’d do better than we did in Iraq*, and no one has the stomach for that.

    Iran and North Korea are not situations to be won, but situations to be managed. However, given that Iran (that bastion of the Religion of Peace ™) keeps talking about needing to eradicate Israel, I can see why the Israelis are pretty jumpy.

    * Actually I would expect things to go much worse in Iran than they did in Iraq, but no point harping on that.

  • Icepick Link

    Also, the flowers won’t be back in season for almost two years. At that time everyone will (briefly) remember the flowers.

  • Andy Link

    I wonder what color the sky is in Ron Holland’s fantasy world.

  • Icepick Link

    Sweet Jeebus, reading the article is worse than I thought. If Iran sets its victory conditions that low then no wonder they want a war.

    The Israelis may find themselves greatly disappointed if they expect US to ramp up involvement. I can see the US deciding to attack facilities that might be used against shipping in the Straight of Hormuz and the PG, but I don’t see the US committing to “bombing Iran back into the Stone Age.”

    As for his analysis of the USA – well, that seems a bit on the extreme side even for me. I wouldn’t put those kinds of dynamics in motion for another two or three years….

  • I don’t have much to say about the other countries, but his analysis of the USA sounds like wishful thinking on his part. That man needs some Demerol.

  • TastyBits Link

    Total tripe.

    Iran has its own goals and plans to achieve those goals. I have an idea of their goal, but I have no idea of what they are willing to do to achieve that goal.

    I have no idea of where to start with his USA assessment. It sounds like President Obama is going to declare martial law to stay in power. President Clinton did this in 2000, and President Bush did this in 2008.

    For China, see Iran.

    Israel
    ——–

    “Bibi’s Secret War Plan” is a fantasy. Israel will spend a large amount of military assets on Iran, and they have no concerns about Egypt or the usual suspects. Israel would need to capture an Iranian airbase, and use it for refueling. This is stupid.

    Israel is already engaged in a clandestine war with Iran, and Iran is aware of it. If Israel can take down Iran’s defenses, they would do it, and when they can, they will.

    Saber rattling by Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu presupposes a saber to rattle. Israel has no saber to rattle. Israel has a box of cereal to shake. Because the box of cereal is mistaken for a saber, Israel is able to affect world events. If Israel was encouraged to take military action, they would stop the nonsense.

  • Just to be clear, I’m not endorsing Mr. Holland’s views. I just find them interesting in a stomach-churning sort of way.

    There’s too much I don’t know to comment intelligently on the truth or falsehood of his remarks. I don’t know how much of what PM Netanyahu says is for purely domestic political consumption. Ditto for Ahmadinejad.

    I think his take on China is probably hooey. While I don’t doubt that there are some Chinese who think along those lines I think that others recognize that a weaker, poorer United States would be very bad for Chinese business. And when you consider how much of China’s foreign exchange is in that debt he alludes to dumping so casually, it really makes you wonder.

    Additionally, I think that his not mentioning Russia is telling. Russia actually borders Iran (in the Caspian) and the notion that a real shootin’ war of any duration could break out without involving Russia is dubious at best.

  • Icepick Link

    I just can’t see a shooting war with Iran. They’re too distant for Israel to engage directly, and Iran’s size would make US planners balk. Straight up we could beat them in the field of battle, but to what end? If you’re not going to occupy you can’t be certain you ‘got’ their nuclear program. And they’re too damned big to occupy. And if you can’t be sure you got their nuclear program you’ve got no reason to attack.

  • If you’re not going to occupy you can’t be certain you ‘got’ their nuclear program.

    There are a couple of other ways. Note that my next comments are not advocacy but more “how to”.

    One way would be to vaporize between ten and twenty cities. Iran’s population is preponderantly urban now. Nearly half its population lives in just nine cities and a lot of Iran’s nuclear development is in just those cities. Sadly, that’s well within our technical capabilities.

    Another would be to take Iran’s power and communications grids down and keep them down. The effect would be roughly the same. Total social collapse. Although they’d have the motivation to keep their nuclear program going I seriously doubt they would have the ability. Sort of requires a 20th or 21st century society.

  • Icepick Link

    Sure we have the technical capability for that, but we lack the will to do that. Occupying them with 3,000,000 draftees is more plausible at this point.

    (I would note that the second option outlined above by Schuler is far more savage.)

  • Icepick Link

    Now an interesting question is, Do the Israelis have the capability to knock down the Iranian power-grid? Do they have EMP weapons? And would even Bibi have the guts to use them?

  • The plan linked to by the post linked to by Holland kind of suggests that they think they do (in answer to your first question). I have no idea whatever on how much credence to place in that.

  • Icepick Link

    Janis, one point in his favor on his US analysis – it only took 286 days for the US Federal Government to go from $15,000,000,000,000 in debt to $16,000,000,000,000 in debt. The amount of debt and the speed with which we are accumulating it is really shocking.

  • Andy Link

    The plan in linked to in Holland’s fantasy essay isn’t a real plan and it didn’t come from the Israeli government, despite what Richard Silverstein claims. Israel does have some of the weapons described, namely the munitions that short-circuit electrical substations. They can “take down the grid” but only for a short period of time. The US used the same munitions in Kosovo and Iraq and probably other places too. Their whole purpose is to shut down power temporarily – otherwise you’d just bomb the key nodes in the grid.

    As far as EMP’s go, Israel has nukes, so they have an EMP weapon. Of course, the problem is using them.

  • Debt, sure, Ice, and austerity measures to come. But he do seem to relish the notion of taking out armed insurgents in the streets.

    Maybe he plays too many video games.

    I repeat, Demerol makes everything better at least temporarily.

  • Icepick Link

    Andy, I mean a weapon designed to deliver an EMP without all the other deleterious effects of a nuke.

    Janis, I’m not a fan of Demerol. Bad trips, man, bad trips….

  • Too, too bad, Ice. It takes me back to the garden.

  • Icepick Link

    I get attacked by fluorescent green flying alligators. I only wish I was kidding.

  • Are you sure they weren’t dragons?

  • Or do you have a morbid fear of the University of Florida Gators?

  • Andy Link

    dragonflies? There are hordes of them around my area right now.

  • Drew Link

    I hope you will all indulge me, but the “Where Have all the Flowers Gone” juxtaposed against Paul Ryan’s assertion this evening that his play list starts with AC DC and ends with Zep strikes a chord.

    So I’m a golfer. And I have about a 4 minute drive from home to the course parking lot. And I have a Porsche Cab, so I can just put down the hood and blow out the stereo system and everybody hears it. And I do a ritual drive by the driving range every Saturday morning just blasting away.

    Generally I feature Led Zeppelins Rock and Roll (It’s been a long time since I rock and rolled….It’s been a long time since I did the stroll. – now how can you beat that, really? Cocky. ) or Van Halens Panama or AC DCs Thunderstruck or the Stones Can’t You Hear Me Knocking (with perhaps the nastiest opening rock and roll guitar riff ever).

    It pisses some people off. (heh) Others love it. But they all know Drew is on the scene. It takes balls, because then you have to show up on the first tee and not fuck up. I don’t fuck up.

    So what’s my point? Paul Ryan is the real deal. Agree with him or not, you take him on and you are in for a battle. He doesn’t fuck up. Game on.

  • He’s gonna fuck up, because that man is gonna be caught in bed with a live boy or a dead woman. Mark my words.

  • If I were 25 years younger, I’d volunteer myself just to show you how easy it would be.

  • steve Link

    “So what’s my point? Paul Ryan is the real deal.”

    After listening to him last night, definitely not. Criticizes Obama for cutting Medicare spending. Is there anyone here who does not realize Medicare spending needs to be reduced? His party will protect and preserve Medicare. Oh yes. His plans also call for cutting Medicare spending. They call for shifting Medicare spending to Medicare recipients. He is just another shifty politician. (Sorry for the oxymoron.)

    Steve

  • His plans also call for cutting Medicare spending. They call for shifting Medicare spending to Medicare recipients.

    That’s my gripe with his plan for reforming Medicare. It will only work if meaningful reductions in cost can be realized solely by decreases in excessive consumption of healthcare services demanded by patients. That makes a lot of assumptions that I don’t think are the case, e.g. that patients are significant drivers of excessive demand, that patients can distinguish between excessive demands and necessary care, that suppliers won’t respond to decreases in actual patient demand by increasing the cost of individual procedures or the number of procedures prescribed, etc.

  • Drew Link

    Um, Janis?

    Are you angry these days?

  • Drew Link

    BTW

    Has anyone noticed that Chris Mathews may need to seek a mental health professional? The tingly leg thing just provided good fodder for pant dry cleaning snark. But he’s absolutely coming unglued.

  • No. I just know that a man who thinks he’s the cat’s meow can be caught with little more than the right purr and a lifted tail.

    Honey, I never stooped so low as to sleep with a politician, even if I more than contentedly slept (wink) with a defense lawyer for 20 years. I’d make that sacrifice to show you what a sham your golden boy is.

    Next thing you know, they’ll be calling him “Kennedyesque.” We all know what that means.

  • You know, Elliot Spitzer on Ayn Rand.

  • Hell, I might even get a quiet little abortion in Europe for him so as not to disrupt his domestic routine.

  • Andy Link

    It pisses some people off. (heh) Others love it. But they all know Drew is on the scene. It takes balls, because then you have to show up on the first tee and not fuck up. I don’t fuck up.

    What an incredible profile in courage Drew!

    So what’s my point? Paul Ryan is the real deal. Agree with him or not, you take him on and you are in for a battle. He doesn’t fuck up. Game on.

    Ironic that if Romney wins he’ll leave one of the most powerful positions in Washington for one of the most irrelevant.

  • Icepick Link

    Are you sure they weren’t dragons?

    -and-

    Or do you have a morbid fear of the University of Florida Gators?

    They were absolutely alligators, no question about it.

    And at the time I was ‘Nole fan, and we owned ’em! So no fear. Later I actually went to UF (long story short – I followed a woman; best thing I ever did 😉 ) where I was a crypto-Nole. After leaving school I slowly morphed into a Gator, which I still find rather incredible. (The transition happened during the Zook years, so I can’t be called a fair-weather fan. And the transition really had nothing to do with football. Sigh.)

    I still can’t believe I’m a Gator. Good thing my Daddy died back in 1989, he’d never forgive me!

  • Game on, Drew. I think you need a bigger shaft on that putter.

  • Icepick Link

    It takes balls….

    … to be a dick towards a bunch of middle-aged and old golfers?

    Tell you what, you want to prove something? Next time you’re in Florida, drive across Alligator Alley and try pulling that shit on a Saturday night on a main cruising drag in Liberty City. Front for the brothers and prove your shizzle is the shiznit. (Better still, pull up to a crowd, get out of your car and say, “Fo’ shizzle ma nizzle” to the first thing anyone says.) Then I’ll believe you’ve got a pair. Hitting a defenseless ball off a tee with a high tech stick don’t prove shit.

  • Icepick Link

    And I’m unclear, is Drew trying to be Ted Knight’s character in Caddy Shack, or Rodney Dangerfield’s?

  • Ice, always fear the woman.

  • Drew Link

    “Honey, I never stooped so low as to sleep with a politician, even if I more than contentedly slept (wink) with a defense lawyer for 20 years. I’d make that sacrifice to show you what a sham your golden boy is.”

    Uh, er, well, ………I’m just not going to touch that one. Oh, and I still play stiff shafts, longer than standard, if you know what I mean.

    Andy

    Perhaps you are not a golfer. And especially not a competitive golfer. The species are different. But you put yourself out there, you better be able to back it up. If you want to tee it up sometime, for big stakes, let me know.

    Ice

    I’ve done alligator alley late at night from Ft Laud to Naples so many times it would make your head spin. But I find your challenge bizarre. That’s not balls, that’s stupid. Are you stupid?

  • Icepick Link

    Ice, always fear the woman.

    Not this one, Janis, not ever. 🙂 Not even if it did result in both of us being Gators! 😀

  • Andy Link

    Drew,

    Perhaps you are not a golfer. And especially not a competitive golfer. The species are different. But you put yourself out there, you better be able to back it up. If you want to tee it up sometime, for big stakes, let me know.

    I am not a golfer and I haven’t “put myself” out anywhere.

    “Big stakes” eh? My job involves supporting people who fly behind enemy lines and jump out of airplanes to save people who are bleeding out. It’s my job to ensure those men and women know what the threats are so they don’t end up as another casualty. In short, if I fuck up, people could die. At the same time, I don’t think it takes “balls” to do what I do because it’s not my ass that is literally on the line. What are your big stakes Drew? Your ego? Some portion of your millions in wealth?

  • Icepick Link

    Perhaps you are not a golfer. And especially not a competitive golfer. The species are different. But you put yourself out there, you better be able to back it up. If you want to tee it up sometime, for big stakes, let me know.

    Yep, that’s ballsy, wanting to play a non-golfer for big stakes.

    Andy, if you don’t know how to play chess and are so stupid that you want to give your money away, I’ll play you speed chess for big stakes. I’ll even give you a 5′ to 2′ time advantage. But I’m assuming that you aren’t stupid, so so much for those lost dollars….

    Drew, driving Alligator Alley was solely for the purpose of getting there, that had nothing to do with anything except for the side of the peninsula you’re on. (Unless you want to do it at 150 MPH like a friend of mine used to do. Until he got caught, that is, and had to forfeit his license for several years, LOL! I hear tell he can drive 55 these days….)

    And frankly I don’t even think what I’m challenging you to do is all that ballsy. (Well, except for going up to the brothers and using code for nigga.) But then I live in a ‘hood, so black people don’t scare me that much, not even gangs of Haitians. But what you are talking about is nothing. That’s just preening for show and pretending it’s really a big deal. Hell, pencil fighting is more dangerous than that. Those little strips of metal on top sting like hell when they catch a finger….

  • Icepick Link

    C’mon, Andy, you know nothing is more high-stake than a bunch of half-drunk rich guys fucking around on a golf course for trivial (to them) amounts of money. Flying into a combat zone and jumping out of perfectly functioning airplanes can’t possibly compare, much less directing those that do. [ end snark ]

  • Icepick Link

    As for high stakes gambling. Here are examples of what is and isn’t high stakes gambling.

    I heard today that Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has taken Michigan and 14 points in the Alabama-Michigan game this weekend. (That MIGHT be a smart bet, as Sabin is usually very conservative early in the season.) For $3,000,000. That is NOT high stakes gambling. FM is worth nine figures.

    Somewhere tomorrow night some schmuck is going to shove in $600 into a $500 pot, bluffing that he caught his flush on the river. It’s the last $600 he has, and he needs it for the rent payment so he and his family don’t get kicked out of their apartment next week. It’s dumber than Hell, but THAT is high stakes gambling.

    Unless losing hurts much more than your pride, it isn’t high stakes gambling.

  • Drew Link

    Andy

    I wouldn’t even dream of equating life and death with a golf match. Its a different ball game, so I’m not sure the point you are trying to make.

    But in the arena of sports, pressure is crucial. Ask any high level athlete. It’s reality.

    Oh, and by the way, if this is a juvenile my dick is bigger deal, think about investing large sums on behalf of retirees.

    As for ice, once again we see a petty malcontent who is unemployed despite his exculpatory views, because of his personality characteristics. And will, in my opinion, continue to be so for the foreseeable future. Self destruction is painful to watch.

  • Icepick Link

    Drew, you’re almost funny. Everything you comment on comes back to how much of a high pressure athlete golfer and/or rich asshole you are. Every single thing. Pressure? Yeah, you can’t even let Andy have that one, you have to slide in a comment on investing Grandma’s life savings. No, Drew, Andy wins this one on several levels.

    As for your ballsiness, all you’ve done is mention that you’re a dick (not that you have one, but that you are one) and you especially like being a dick to the people who are nominally your peers and fellow hobbyists. That’s just rude behavior, and your peers happen not to be the kind of people that are going to punch you in the mouth for being a jackass. (Can’t say anything about them beyond that.) In polite company* that isn’t considered an accomplishment.

    * Polite company, not necessarily refined.

  • TastyBits Link

    @Drew

    You do not rate to pick peanuts out of @Andy shit. You are a worthless piece of shit, and you and your ballsiness are a joke. Anywhere outside you country club, you would be pimped out and turning tricks. Nobody wants to listen to a bitch, and a dick down your throat is what you need.

  • TastyBits Link

    @Andy

    A real muthaf@cker walks the walk. A little bitch talks the talk. Thanks for you service. @Drew is a little bitch, and he would shit his pants if he did anything close to what you do.

  • Andy Link

    Whoa guys, I opened a can of worms here. I’m just doing my job and it’s what I volunteered to do. I enjoy doing it and gives me a great sense of personal satisfaction. Please don’t put me on any kind of pedestal – what I do isn’t inherently better than any other profession and frankly the world would be a better place if my profession went the way of coal tenders.

    Frankly I’m not feeling well and am in a particularly foul mood today. Drew’s comment that it takes “balls” to show up and not f’ up after making a spectacle of himself turned out to be a bridge too far for me today. I should have just let it go.

  • But you’re a good man, Andy, and, as Flannery O’Connor said, they’re hard to find. Thanks from me, too.

  • TastyBits Link

    @Andy

    You do your job and give credit to others. I have never seen you bragging or putting yourself out as some shining example for the underlings to emulate. I do not know you, but I know that I can respect you.

    You did not start anything. Monkey spunk did, and it is going to be called out on it. It thinks it is so much better than anybody else. This is not about you. It is about anybody monkey spunk thinks it can shit on.

    I know the type, and it knows my type. I am the one at its country club that does not play the game. Whale sh*t is a pretentious f*ck. It knows it does not belong, and it must shit on others. It would not last 10 minutes in many of the places I have been, but if duck puke wants to try, name the time and place.

  • I think we need to start toning it down a notch.

  • TastyBits Link

    @Dave Schuler

    I apologize. I should not have gone off.

  • You’re a good egg, TastyBits. I appreciate your contributions to the discussion.

  • Icepick Link

    Andy, all we’re saying is, “Thank you.”

  • Humph. Long and stiff. Shows you what he knows.

  • Drew Link

    @Drew

    “You do not rate to pick peanuts out of @Andy shit. You are a worthless piece of shit, and you and your ballsiness are a joke. Anywhere outside you country club, you would be pimped out and turning tricks. Nobody wants to listen to a bitch, and a dick down your throat is what you need.”

    Thank you, Tasty, and I know you mean that in only the best way. I do have to admit I got a chuckle out of that one.

    You guys and gals misunderstand me. Of course, I intentionally provoke, so you get what you sew. But it’s OK, this is kindergarten compared to what I deal with all the time. Believe it or not, I value all of the input here. Its an interesting set of commenters, and of course, the proprietor is extraordinary. You guys just get too personal when mixing it up.

    Life is short, people, lighten up and have some fun.

  • Drew Link

    I missed the obvious line: are those the proverbial chocolate covered peanuts?

  • Icepick Link

    Drew, you realize you are describing yourself as a classic internet troll, yes?

  • Drew Link

    “Drew, you realize you are describing yourself as a classic internet troll, yes?”

    Your words, ice. Let me ask you something. Have I ever described a commentor here as unworthy of even picking peanuts from someone’s feces? Have I ever done anything but attempt, admittedly unsuccessfully, to give you a pep talk or poke you in the ribs in the vein of “don’t give up, man, it will work out?”

    Have I ever had a cross word with Janis? For that matter, have I ever had a cross word with Andy, until recently? OrTasty?

    Have I ever done anything with cross references to golf etc but to illustrate competitiveness? It’s a competitive world, you know. Have I ever used golf to illustrate anything but self reliance?

    It’s obvious to me there are no golfers here. Because the references are lost. But they vote overwhelmingly Republican. There is a reason. No, Andy, we are not in the killing fields of Iraq. But you find yourself in pressure situations, like all athletes, with no one to look at but yourself. No excuses. None. And it happens to be a sport that pressure destroys execution like none other. You hold the club in your hand. You must execute. If you don’t, you fail. If you do, you win. Michael Jordan is revered for his pressure heroics. For whatever reason, people chose to take pot shots at me. (BTW- I’d kill MJ at golf, but I digress)

    As for Janis. I play Dynamic Gold S300 shafts a half inch longer than standard in my irons. (the S is for stiff, duh) It was a convenient opportunity for levity and snark. Could y’all lighten up, please?? Please?? My God.

    You folks need to look at yourselves in the mirror. The invective, the notions of Caddy Shack etc. The ill willed ” country club” references.

    I can’t change your lives or circumstances, people. But get a clue about your attitudes. I’m doing fine, but I detect a lot of anger out there. Don’t go there, people. it’s just not worth it.

  • My attitudes are fine. You’re the one taken in by that callow boy, Ryan.

  • Icepick Link

    Have I ever done anything but attempt, admittedly unsuccessfully, to give you a pep talk or poke you in the ribs in the vein of “don’t give up, man, it will work out?”

    Drew, on many occasions you have called me nothing but a contemptible loser, mostly because I disagreed with you. You once had an attack of paranoia and accused me of … something … because I dared argue a point about sports with you. What the Hell was that about?

    You have told me you know just how I feel because you once had a well-paying job you didn’t like. As if you were the only person that has only happened to. I’ve been there and done that, jerk, and it is nothing at all like what I’ve gone through in recent years. Your experience DOES NOT COMPARE. Claiming it does is just another example of your sadistic dickishness.

    You have given me lame comments like “Keep your chin up, it will be fine.” Not only is that trite, it is also dead wrong. Do I base this on my experience? Partly. I also base it on the experience of the hundreds of people in similar circumstances that I have met while networking looking for a job. I base that on the uncounted news stories that have been written about this fucked up economy. I base that on the statistics (that I think have been cooked to look better than reality) from the BLS, that show millions and millions of people that are either LTUE or who have dropped out of the workforce entirely.

    You know Drew, I network with other professionals. Educated, experienced people. And I hear the same things over and over again. I’ve been seeing the same people over and over again for years. It doesn’t get better Drew, except for a few people that get so lucky they may as well have won a small lotto jackpot.

    THAT’S the fucking reality, and you wave that aside without even bothering to notice, because you refuse to acknowledge that anyone anywhere can have suffered more than you when you had a job you didn’t fucking like. Boo hoo hoo. This isn’t like anything you have ever encountered, and your fucking platitudes aren’t just wrong, they’re not just meaningless, they’re insulting. Things don’t get better for the LTUEs, Drew, and you telling me it does when I’ve got YEARS of personal evidence otherwise tells me you refuse to read a goddamned thing that doesn’t agree with your sheltered little POV.

    And attitude doesn’t make a goddamned bit of difference, because LTUEs don’t get to speak to live people in the hiring process, we’re discarded long before that stage. Drew, it doesn’t matter, but you won’t even acknowledge that. Because you are a dick and enjoy being a dick and especially enjoy getting to rub it in the face of people who have been completely fucked. You like to brag about being an asshole. Well, guess what, I believe you’re an asshole and that you enjoy being casually cruel to the little people. You’ve convinced me of your bona fides on this front. Now live with it, you miserable prick.

    Here’s the kicker, though. Things are going okay in my life now. You know what it took? It took my mother dying, my wife lucking into a new job (she got it in part because I was up to date on the very latest methods used to filter resumes – I’m not networking and she may have never even gotten a phone interview), my sister trying to talk me into committing several felonies while she was stealing thousands from me and attempting to get me put in jail (best case scenario for her) or on the street (in the case where she managed to steal tens of thousands from me). She wanted my DAUGHTER in foster care or living on the street, Drew, my loving sister. That’s what I’ve been up against. I held my ground and eventually was able to threaten her with legal action. I still got screwed massively on the deal, but at least I’ve got a roof over my daughter’s head. And all it took was the death of my mother, my brother, a cousin, and disowning the rest of my miserable evil family, may every single one of them rot in Hell for all Eternity, to suffer eternal torment.

    Don’t tell me about how fucking good it will get if I just put on a goddamned happy face. Your opinion that if I stick it out it will all get better is patently wrong, you stupid fucking piece of amphibian shit. Take your platitudes and choke on them until you die. When you get to Hell say hello to my mother for me.

    Asshole.

  • Icepick Link

    Just don’t tell me it gets better if I put on a happy face. That is bullshit, it was always bullshit, and it is especially bullshit in this day and age.

    Tell that to my friends who have bankrupted themselves in their desperation trying to have a child, only to lose their best hope three months into the pregnancy. Tell that to my friends I’ve got who both lost their careers, and now he’s got heart problems and she’s got Crohn’s Disease, and they’ll be lucky if one of them lives long enough to see their oldest child graduate from high school. Tell it to the men and women I know (and I know a lot of them) who lost their jobs, and with their careers their life’s savings and homes, and with those totems of modern middle-class status their marriages of decades standing. Tell that to the Most Positive Man I Know, who’s wife is dying of cancer and he still can’t find a job, and with it insurance. Tell that to all the people I know who can’t get an interview for a job as a clerk at WalMart, but know where all the food banks in Central Florida are located.

    Things often go from bad to worse. These days the lucky result is when things only go sideways. Next person that tells me things will get better if I just put on a happy face gets a broken face for their stupidity. And by the way, I just lost another tooth because I hadn’t been able to afford a dentist to get something taken care of this last year, so my grin looks a little more hill-billy than usual at the moment. (My wife has dental, but we couldn’t afford the four figure out-of-pocket. Got no choice now, no idea where the money will come from.) I’ll be happy to give someone else a gap-toothed grin too. They can consider it a whack from the clue-bat, a clue for the clueless, a visible sign of their improved education. I forget, does the tassel on the mortar-board go from left to right, or right to left? I’ll want to know which teeth to knock out and which ones to only knock loose….

  • Since this is all in good fun, Drew:

    http://youtu.be/KLG2jaVdUMo

  • Drew Link

    Ice
    Sigh

    Janis

    That’s good.

  • Drew Link

    I actually just read your full post, Ice.

    This will be the last time we converse.

    I mean this with all respect and sincerity. I wish you only the best. I hope the economy improves, and I hope you can deal with your personal issues, so that you, your wife and your family can prosper.

    I wish that for every one, but I certainly wish that for someone I’ve gotten to “know” by virtue of this blog site. Someone, who because I’ve read their posts, I actually respect, if not fully agree.

    Go ahead, call me an asshole if you find it satisfying or somehow palliative to your situation. That’s the least of my worries. I bid you adieu, and, truley, best of luck in your travels and efforts.

  • Andy Link

    Drew,

    But you find yourself in pressure situations, like all athletes, with no one to look at but yourself. No excuses. None. And it happens to be a sport that pressure destroys execution like none other. You hold the club in your hand. You must execute. If you don’t, you fail. If you do, you win.

    I think almost anyone with a pulse understands that as well as the importance of the mental aspect to any kind of high-level endeavor. And yes, any good athlete or competitor is able to channel the stress and perform – it is, after all, built into our genes though high-level competitors are probably better at it than average folk. And obviously, at least according to what you write here, you are able to do that with golf so well that you can act like an arrogant jerk before a match, putting yourself in a position where failure to perform would make you look even worse – everyone knows “Drew is here” right?

    Drew, I don’t know the first thing about you, so all I have to go on is what you write here, but you never seem to pass up an opportunity to make yourself look like the PE/Golf equivalent of Terrell Owens and Chad Ochocinco (or whatever he calls himself now). Patting oneself on the back for performing despite acting like a D-bag may command grudging respect in some quarters, but it is not something, IMO, to be admired or celebrated.

  • TastyBits Link

    @Drew

    Oh, and by the way, if this is a juvenile my dick is bigger deal, think about investing large sums on behalf of retirees.

    You could have let it go, but you would not. Instead, you had to double-down. I will concede that it takes balls to compare what you do and what @Andy does, but concluding that investing is more stressful takes massive balls.

    Your comments were hippie-like.

    I do not like hippies. I find them vile and disgusting. I will never forget nor forgive them for how they treated active duty and vets. Good people did not stand up for the military, and military people cannot stand up for themselves against civilians. You really do not want to explain to the Company First Sargent why you beat the crap out of a civilian.

    1968 is long past, and the hippies lost, bit they are trying their bullshit again. Over at OTB, they are testing the waters. Disliking the military or anything military related is not the issue. An individual(s) may be an a**hole, and he/they be called out. You can disparage @Andy any way you want, and I do not care. It is the billet he is filling.

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