The Buffalo Supermarket Shooting

While I’m reacting to news items of the day, I think the murders of 10 people that took place in a Buffalo, New York supermarket are terrible and heinous. That said I genuinely wish that President Biden had not commented on it. If he is genuinely interested in violence perpetrated against black people, he should comment about Chicago. It is not atypical for a similar number of black people to be killed here over any given weekend.

I do not see any good purpose in stoking racial animosities. What do people think would happen? I thought that some idiot would go to a black neighborhood and shoot up a supermarket. The problem isn’t guns or at least it isn’t just guns. It’s hate. Hate produces more hate. Raising the temperature will not help black people. It will hurt them.

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  • Grey Shambler Link

    Sad.
    Happened in America so the assumption will be had something to to with race.
    Were it Ireland that would be religion, Columbia, drugs, Iraq, politics and religion.
    I’ll wait for the manifesto to come out.
    In Las Vegas it never did.

  • The manifesto has come out. It was racially motivated. More specifically what’s called “Replacement Theory”.

  • steve Link

    But I think Grey represents what a lot of white people like him will think. Even though the guy wrote a manifesto saying he was going to go kill black people they wont accept tit.

    I read Biden’s statement. That it was pretty bland. What about it do you regard as inflammatory?

    How did the guy not get shot? When a call goes out in Cleveland that someone is just holding a gun they shot the guy on sight (it was a BB gun). In this case the guy had a real gun and had just killed a bunch of people. Why didnt he get shot on sight? Anyone know? This is what should have happened but didnt for the guy in Cleveland. Or the kid with the toy gun.

    Steve

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    The perpetuator was shot by a security guard; but he had body armor so he wasn’t stopped.

  • Grey Shambler Link

    No, I just hadn’t looked at the news.
    First time I’d ever heard of a site called 4Chan, checked it out and it looks like porn and cartoons, what can I say?
    People consider this worse than the routine killing of blacks by blacks in da big city.
    What I find sad is that he thought he could spark a race war with his actions, he’s not the first. Wasted ten lives and his own for misguided thoughts.
    Americans of all races are motivated by financial concerns, people may gripe about “the other”, but there will be no race war.

  • walt moffett Link

    The Las Vegas shooter’s motivation reportedly did not release a manifesto and his motive seems unknown. The Buffalo guy seems to follow the Lone Wolf tactics of releasing a manifesto and trying to go out in a blaze of violence. Letting the police summarily execute him is something is to be avoided if laws mean anything.

  • Jan Link

    Black on black crime is far more typical than a crazed, 18 year old white guy trying to incite racial tensions by killing people in a black neighborhood market. However, the media, and those who like to underline and accentuate such horrific incidents, will gladly go with the flow of systemic racism running amuck in this country. The follow-up then is calling for “gun control,” and politicizing a popular wedge issue for social progressives to galvanize their base.

    The same tune is played over and over again for the purpose of gaming people’s emotions rather than advancing a less partisan approach in running this country.

  • steve:

    The opening of the president’s statement is adequate and anodyne. He should have stopped there. When he transitions into complaining about hate, violence, intolerance, extremism, and terrorism, I think it’s unhelpful, particularly from the president of the U. S. Should hatred only be “called out” when it’s whites doing the hating? Or have the authorities in Dallas erred in being as circumspect as they have about the individual shooting up Korean neighborhoods? Calling out white hatred while eschewing the calling out of black hatred feeds the very maladies that motivated the perpetrator in Buffalo.

  • Jan Link

    “Calling out white hatred while eschewing the calling out of black hatred feeds the very maladies that motivated the perpetrator in Buffalo”

    Well said. It mirrors the sentiments, both spoken and unspoken, of many people.

    Currently, besides being weighed down by incessant screeds of “white privilege,” “racist,” “white supremacy,” youth now faces punishing attacks about using correct pronouns, alphabetizing gender categorization properly, and shunning the idea of equality over the more politically correct embrace of “equity,” substituted in most academic CRT settings. It also seems the more we socially engineer the people of this country, with the backdrop of identity politics playing a prominent role in the socially progressive agenda, the more screwed up, polarized, and deviant our society becomes.

  • bob sykes Link

    There is a theory in anthropology that monotheism arose in early neolithic societies as a means of domesticating and pacifying people, so that they could live together peacefully and productively. Christianity has long been dormant and largely defanged and bowdlerized to the point of inanity. It’s not coming back without some sort of catastrophe.

    To make matters worse, we live in an age of indentitarianism, where all that matters about a person is ethnicity and gender, where despised ethnicities and genders can be defamed without pushback, where the defamation is actually incentivized. The boy, himself, identified as a national socialist or fascist and wore a sonnenrad on his jacket.

    I don’t know what can stop our descent into hate and violence and horror. Perhaps when we have wallowed long enough in the horror, we will get another “Great Awakening.”

    What would it take to get a substantial majority of Americans back into the churches?

  • Drew Link

    This: “Calling out white hatred while eschewing the calling out of black hatred feeds the very maladies that motivated the perpetrator in Buffalo.” Says it all on the issue of playing into the hands of hucksters. I’m told that social media like Twitter has immediately attempted to pin this on MAGA and, wait for it, Tucker Carlson.

    And this brings perspective: “If he is genuinely interested in violence perpetrated against black people, he should comment about Chicago.” Both issues and events are tragic. But Chicago is on the repeat list. But of course it does not fit the narrative.

    BTW – has anyone here been on Twitter? I never have. I only see “tweets” when they are embedded in other commentary. It looks godawful to me.

  • steve Link

    “Should hatred only be “called out” when it’s whites doing the hating?”

    I think the next time a black person publishes a manifesto and then kills a bunch of white people it should be called out. Or to be more specific, anytime anyone publishes a manifesto and kills a bunch of people it should be called out. An awful lot of what gets called terrorism doesnt fit any conventional definition. When you publish and then go on to kill in double digits I think it clearly meets the definition and should be called out. Maybe you could explain why we should not call out terorism, which we always do, just because it was a white guy doing it.

    ” Tucker Carlson.” Nope, it is the fault of the shooter. Of course every time a POC kills someone that wont stop your ilk from blaming Obama, Clinton, Biden or someone.

    Steve

  • So, the part that makes “calling it out” helpful is the manifesto not the murders?

    I think that there are the convinced, the convinceable, and the unconvinceable. The convinced are, well, already convinced. “Calling it out” will do nothing for the unconvincable. After three generations of convincing how many convinceable are still around? It’s been quite a while since I’ve heard racist comments or attitudes in polite company. Years ago it was worth calling out because that’s what made it unacceptable in polite company. Now?

  • steve Link

    Sigh. The manifesto makes it clear that this was terrorism. Not just someone who was impulsively angry. Early reports are that just like other terrorists he was radicalized on line.

    By your logic we should never comment upon any murders. Biden commenting upon the murders in Chicago would convince anyone. Sometimes you do stuff just because it is the right thing to do. (Certainly dont remember you criticizing any POTUS when they criticized a Muslim terrorist.)

    Steve

  • Jan Link

    ” Of course every time a POC kills someone that wont stop your ilk from blaming Obama, Clinton, Biden or someone.”

    I actually don’t recall pinning a violent act onto Obama, Clinton, or even Biden, for that matter (except maybe the miserable leadership call Biden made in pulling out of Afghanistan, where 13 service people lost their lives, along with countless civilians). Examples of people having died, due to deliberate violent actions taken by others, are the BLM riots and babies being killed in late term abortions. What people like Obama and Clinton have malevolently done, though, are to engage in deceptive antics to advance their own political ambitions and agendas – be it Russia conclusion contrivances, obstructing and/or delaying investigations into government scandals, or those done by inspector generals: https://thenewamerican.com/inspectors-general-slam-obama-stonewalling-in-letter-to-congress/ s

  • Drew Link

    “Of course every time a POC kills someone that wont stop your ilk from blaming Obama, Clinton, Biden or someone.”

    Prove it. Show me.

    I know Biden is a complete disaster as a president, and you are having trouble dealing with it. But you need to seek professional help if you have devolved into wild accusations.

  • Jan Link

    For those gun control fanatics, please note that the latest shooter chose the Buffalo site because of it’s stringent gun control laws. https://www.theepochtimes.com/supermarket-shooters-alleged-manifesto-says-he-chose-buffalo-ny-because-of-strict-gun-control-laws_4467692.html This is a common calculation among those bent on using a gun to kill a lot of people. I remember Aurora’s theater shooting had the same gun control calculus embedded in the shooter’s decision-making. John Lott even published a huge study with similar findings – that areas with the strictest gun control laws were the most vulnerable to gun violence. And yet Democrats always howl about enacting more gun regulations after these events.

  • Jan Link

    To Steve – the “rest of the story,” involving political hypocrisy.

    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-demented-and-selective-game-of

  • Certainly dont remember you criticizing any POTUS when they criticized a Muslim terrorist.

    Actually, I praised the temperance of George W. Bush’s remarks after the attacks on 9/11. He didn’t immediately launch into broad generalizations about Muslim terrorism. If President Biden had remarked on the murders and offered condolences to the families that would have been fine and that’s what I said above. I don’t think that broadening the subject to domestic terrorism was helpful. You clearly do. How?

  • steve Link

    Just a more recent example.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/politics/candice-keller-ohio-lawmaker-mass-shootings/index.html

    Then there were the Republicans blaming Obama for the Dallas cop killings, etc.

    While Bush was good at not specifically citing the terrorism as Muslim terrorism he later went on to call specific acts Islamic fascism. Trump didnt seem to have a lot of trouble using the term radical Islamic terrorists. Easy to find examples if you want. When it comes to calling out terrorism by a white person, no one until now seemed able to voice it.

    It is important to recognize this as terrorism since, per the early reports, the guy was radicalized in the same way that Islamic terrorists in this country have been radicalized. If we dont recognize this for what it is there is zero chance we can address it. Maybe we cant anyway but seems worth a try.

    Steve

  • Grey Shambler Link

    My final thoughts on this,
    I wonder if the act of murder felt the way that the shooter thought that it would.
    I suppose so, since he didn’t stop at one.

  • Jan Link

    More info is being revealed about the Buffalo shooter, raising more questions why he wasn’t stopped before he killed 10 people:

    Why was he allowed to purchase a firearm after being previously hospitalized for mental issues? We already have laws addressing this. Why aren’t they being implemented?

    Why didn’t the FBI pick up on this kid’s public propensity for violence, keeping track of him? Perhaps it’s because they were too busy putting J6 protesters- people having no previous arrest records – in prison, many for over a year.

    Where was Letitia James, Ny State Attorney, attention, in protecting the public from someone voicing extremist intentions to take people out? Oh, I guess her attention was on one campaign target – Trump – to indict him on anything she could dig up on a fishing expedition.

    People with special opts experience, after reviewing the video of his shooting spree, have asserted he appeared “trained” to have achieved such an advanced skill set. Who trained him, if this is true?

  • Why aren’t they being implemented?

    IMO the answer is pretty simple. Hard as it is to enact new laws enforcing them is even harder.

  • steve Link

    “Why didn’t the FBI pick up on this kid’s public propensity for violence, keeping track of him?”

    Because there are many thousands of isolated guys like this. We have no idea what makes one of them cross the line into being a killer.

    Steve

  • Drew Link

    “Because there are many thousands of isolated guys like this. We have no idea what makes one of them cross the line into being a killer.”

    That’s a fair point. But methinks the pendulum has swung far, far too close to not my problem/I’ll sue you/oh, what’s the point. What do you get? “He seemed like such a nice boy.” Or, “well, we have to understand his issues.”

  • Drew Link

    BTW – I see leftists are trying to pin “Replacement Theory” on Republicans, and specifically Tucker Carlson.

    I obviously understand the concept, but had never heard the formal title of “Replacement Theory” before recent events. So I decided to tune in to Tucker Carlson’s show, knowing there would be some response. What a hoot.

    Carlson proceeded to run perhaps a dozen film clips of Democrats over the past 6 -7 years not just talking about Replacement Theory, but BRAGGING about it. It was to be the Democrats future and the Republican’s demise. Media types, pundits, and then………Stacey Abrahms, Julio Castro, Nancy Pelosi and someone in Dave’s orbit – Dick Durbin, and………..wait for it……….Joe Biden. Absolutely giddy about the prospects. (Anyone confused about JB’s border policy??)

    And now we have Durbin on the Senate floor declaring the scourge of Republican’s RT. Miserable fucks, all of them. Just miserable fucks.

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