Solutions That Don’t Solve

There is a bumper crop of plans for ending the COVID-19 pandemic. To my eye they all share one defect: they wouldn’t actually end the pandemic. Take, for example, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s op-ed in the New York Times:

Americans stayed at home and sacrificed for months to flatten the curve and prevent the spread of the coronavirus. That gave us time to take the steps needed to address the pandemic — but President Trump squandered it, refusing to issue national stay-at-home guidelines, failing to set up a national testing operation and fumbling production of personal protective equipment. Now, Congress must again act as this continues to spiral out of control.

Those who frame the debate as one of health versus economics are missing the point. It is not possible to fix the economy without first containing the virus. We need a bold, ambitious legislative response that does four things: brings the virus under control; gets our schools, child care centers, businesses, and state and local governments the resources they need; addresses the burdens on communities of color; and supports struggling families who don’t know when the next paycheck will come.

Here’s what the next federal response must include:

Start with funding the robust public health measures we know will work to address this crisis: ramped-up testing, a national contact-tracing program and supply-chain investments to resolve medical supply shortages. Without these measures, we will not be able to adequately reopen safely, more people will die and there will be no economic recovery.

I’m not opposed to any of those things. I just don’t think they’ll produce the results the senator thinks they will.

For one thing there’s too much cargo cult thinking. The line of thinking goes something like this. Because South Korea and Japan did contact tracing and South Korea and Japan have had among the very best results in dealing with their outbreaks, therefore you need contact tracing to have good results. Leaving aside the thousands of differences between South Korea or Japan and the United States a key step is being omitted: mandatory isolation. I don’t believe that any form of isolation, voluntary or mandatory, would be effective in the U. S. We can’t even get people to wear facemasks voluntarily. I don’t believe that even if we paid people to be isolated it would be effective. And mandatory isolation is completely out of the question. If you don’t believe it picture this scenario. Thousands or tens of thousands of people in mandatory isolation, the majority of whom are black or Hispanics. The headlines practically write themselves.

Testing has a similar problem. There is presently no identifiable relationship between testing per se and getting control over the virus. If you don’t believe me, just look at the testing rates per million population compared with the cases per million or deaths per million. If there’s a correlation, it’s a positive one (you test more people because more people have the virus). The basic question is never asked: testing to what end? I think we’re doing far too much diagnostic testing as it is with not nearly enough systematic epidemiological testing in an effort to identify where resources were most needed.

My views are so unpopular as to not even be worth airing. I think that we just must assume that no cure or vaccine or even an effective treatment will be developed and shoulder the risks of going on with life, doing what we can to mitigate them as best as we are able.

16 comments… add one
  • Grey Shambler Link

    You are spot on. People are as bad as monkeys. See Australia’s quarantine problem:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tamarathiessen/2020/07/07/australia-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-hotel-sex-scandal/#6a4f814a131d

  • PD Shaw Link

    This weekend my city is [hosting / being invaded by] the Million Unmasked March, a/k/a the March of the Morons. I doubt they’ll have anywhere near that number, but they’ll freak people out, including law enforcement. I doubt other countries know of such a thing.

    I was looking at Japan on the COVID-19 Projections site, and it seemed to come close to wiping out the spread in mid-June, but the R_t number started increasing simultaneously rising to 1.16 within a week or two. It won’t be wiped out.

    I still think tests are useful to give people confidence for schools, nursing homes and other businesses. Places where people will be close together and systemic testing can limit super-spreader events. The restaurants are requiring their indoor workers to get tested because they have to close down and sanitize when someone tests positive. The equivalent of 22% of my county’s population has been tested (some people are getting tested multiple times).

  • Grey Shambler Link

    Burdens on communities of color:
    Social distancing Chicano style:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsStHhyH1EU

  • PD Shaw Link

    I watched our school board’s Zoom meeting last night where they announced their tentative plan to provide two options for students this coming year: hybrid remote and in-person or remote only. They reported the result of their surveys:

    Students:
    76% Want to Return to Learn in Person
    54% Would be OK with a Hybrid Model
    47% Want to Have Remote Learning and Would Fully Participate

    Parents/Guardians:
    51% Want Learning in Person
    74% Would be Interested in a Hybrid Model
    27% Want Remote Learning Only

    Teachers:
    28% Want to Teach in Person unless there are stay-at-home orders
    47% Interested in a Hybrid Model
    32% Don’t Want to Teach in Person

  • 76% Want to Return to Learn in Person
    54% Would be OK with a Hybrid Model
    47% Want to Have Remote Learning and Would Fully Participate

    It might be helpful to know what percentage of students participated fully during the previous lockdown.

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    I have beaten the drum on isolation since end of March; sigh. Back then, maybe a cohesive attempt at isolation could be attempted, but I agree it is impossible in the current situation.

    What disappoints me is public health experts never talk about isolation — leading to confused thinking among the public, politicians and decision makers.

    @PD; the results from your school board aligns with the surveys done by a neighboring school board — 75% of parents want in-person instruction of some sort. Reconcile that with polls that a majority oppose schools reopening (I cannot).

    Meanwhile, in school boards that have chosen to provide only remote learning — parents with means are taking matters into their own hands.

  • Grey Shambler Link

    Isn’t it possible to have instructors on the large screen in classrooms with paras or ? someone in the room to maintain order?
    Opening schools I think can be done without risking teachers health unnecessarily. The burden I know I see for “communities of color”, (hate that term), or just families that are not upper middle class, (prefer that), is that the school children must live in the grandparent’s home. This I know personally. And if the grandparents die, the rest of the family goes on the government or on the street.

  • Opening schools I think can be done without risking teachers health unnecessarily.

    The key word in that passage is “unnecessarily”. It cannot be done with risking teachers’ health at all.

  • PD Shaw Link

    They didn’t repeat it last night, but IIRC it was in the low 70% participated at least once in online learning.

    Low participation at least at the outset was attributed to technology, students were distributed laptops and could either get free internet through Comcast or through a Verizon jetpack. The district’s follow-up was that a lot of parents were confused by the technology, particularly as each teacher was using different platforms. Another issue is that kids couldn’t be penalized or have their grade lowered during the fourth quarter, so if you liked your third quarter grade, there was no grade-incentive to participate fully (though you might have to do at least one thing on-line I believe).

    A middle-school teacher living in Oak Park had a different experience, which was Comcast was slow to provide access and that his school has a lot of hispanic students whose parents are generally disinclined to sign paperwork, including for technology.

    The student question was confusing to my son and presumably others. He doesn’t want remote learning, but would participate if required. We had a five minute argument about that question at dinner one night, with four different interpretations. It’s a bad question, but it implies that there is a concern that people may want remote because they don’t have to do anything. One of the board members asked that the registration sign-in contain a notification that this time it counts.

  • Grey Shambler Link

    Does anyone at all still believe we can corner the last carrier and chase this disease to ground like smallpox?
    We don’t have choice but to take risk, and that means teachers can teach, with any safeguards they can devise, or quit. Just like grocery clerks.

  • Guarneri Link

    Sigh. Absolute lockdown would have worked magnificently (in one sense). But put down the brandy and cigars, and leave the faculty lounge, and re-enter the real world. Compliance was never an option. The fundamental underpinnings of the strategy were hopelessly flawed.

    Not to mention, the resultant economic Armageddon or…………are we saying the virus would just magically disappear? All that is happening right now is what was preordained from day one. The virus was going to spread far and wide. There was and is no stopping it. You may retard it locally, for awhile, but ultimately no stopping it. Fortunately, the most vulnerable can be identified, unlike the 1918 pandemic. You can at least, voluntarily, or by mandate, minimize the risk to those populations. All else is folly.

    All the calls for draconian isolation are so pathetically stupid, and you know all these people are not that stupid, that you can only conclude ulterior motives.

  • that you can only conclude ulterior motives.

    I think the “ulterior motive” is that they don’t want to be blamed.

  • Andy Link

    We got our school district’s initial plan. It was nice that they say upfront that things are subject to change depending on the state of the disease and mandates out of their control from the state.

    Basically kids/parents will have a choice between all online or all in-school. The in-school option will divide children into cohorts – each cohort will have two 3-hour classes per day with a one-hour lunch period in between. Interaction between the cohorts would be very limited. Elemenary school kids would be in their homeroom with their homeroom teacher only.

    Both my HS kids want to do the in-person school. They both have over a year experience with online-only school and don’t like it. My grade-school son wants to do online because he thinks it will result in more youtube time each day.

    I’m not sure what the teachers think about this in my area. It appears to be a mixed bag based on the teachers I know. Some are convinced that any in-school education is a “petri dish” that will unavoidably put them and their familie’s at risk. Others are perfectly fine with the model the district is proposing.

    As far as how to beat Covid, one of the super-annoying aspects of the debate is so many arguments assume objectives that are not actually the stated objectives, or are not actually achievable.

    Our governor (the gay, Jewish progressive businessman with a libertarian streak) finally folded to pressure to issue a state-wide mask order. Previously that was left to counties and cities and counties and cities covering about 80% of the state population already had orders in place. The state has no way to enforce the order except through threatening business licenses for businesses that don’t comply. The way it’s supposed to be enforced for individuals is that people who refuse to wear a mask and leave the property of a business that requires a mask, can be ticketed for tresspassing. The Sheriff in my county and several others have already stated they are too busy and won’t enforce this order.

    You try to explain to people on Nextdoor or our local forums on Facebook and Reddit about the practical limitations of a statewide order and they refuse to believe it. They seem to think that all law enforcement works directly for the governor.

    I’ve always cried a little inside about the lack of basic civics knowledge by my fellow citizens, but Covid has take that to a new level.

  • PD Shaw Link

    @andy: The survey I summarized above suggested that there was a group of teachers (28%) that do not want to teach on-line unless the governor orders everyone to stay-at-home again, and another group (32%) that are unsure that they would return to work to teach in-person. Two percent of teachers said they flat-out cannot teach in person. Seems like a hard core on both sides.

    The Board members who indicated they were likely to vote against the proposal when it comes up for vote in two weeks essentially said that they think the elementary school kids can’t be trusted to social distance and keep on their masks, as well as not become disease vectors. It was interesting given that it seems like the consensus view has been that these kids get the most from in-person teaching. The state teacher’s union came out against any in-person teaching at this time (including at college level), but indicated that elementary school should reopen first.

    And because the Governor is probably exceeding his emergency powers that expired thirty days after declaring a disaster, everything is mired in lawsuits. The Governor has sued schools for announcing the intent to open on their own, and schools (and the private high school sports ass’n) have been sued by plaintiffs for announcing the intention to follow the Governor’s emergency orders. It’s a mess.

  • Andy Link

    PD,

    You might relate to this:

    https://imgur.com/qMo5LBU

    And this:

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=603079693980504

    I’m sorry your government is so dorked up. Localities and districts here seem to be able to come up with their own plans as long as they follow the general state-level restrictions.

  • steve Link

    “are we saying the virus would just magically disappear? ”

    Those were almost exactly the words of your president. Just saying.

    Listening to the parents at work it sounds like hybrid plans or going back to school in person are the preferred solutions. Most schools are still deciding and most are saying they want to reserve the ability to change to respond to local conditions. Not sure about teacher preferences. If we are going back to school and trying to encourage return to normalcy in the economy then we should also look at ways to minimize impact from the virus. Wearing masks is an easy, cheap option to help. Large indoor groups, super-spreader events, seems like another factor so avoid them. Social distancing when possible. Tracing when possible. Surveillance testing. There is a lot of pretty easy stuff we could do but it seems like a large part of the population almost revels in not doing anything.

    Steve

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