NYT Editors on the Impeachment Inquiry

I want to consider the issues raised by the editors of the New York Times in their editorial on the ongoing “impeachment inquiry” piecemeal. I agree with their opening:

The House of Representatives has undertaken the impeachment inquiry of a president only four times in American history. Each time, the House has set its own ground rules. The Constitution prescribes no specific process, nor does federal law. Court rulings and precedents, such as they are, tend to be narrow and particular. So when lawmakers determine that such a proceeding is warranted, they are forced to rely on their own cobbled-together rule book, with the trust of the American people in their government at stake.

This requires Congress to be rigorous in setting out the rules for conducting an inquiry.

That’s followed by a little throatclearing and then a discussion of the White House’s recent letter:

Take the first claim first, that there is nothing wrong with Mr. Trump shaking down a foreign leader for his own political benefit. Perhaps that’s the only position the White House can take, because the facts of the July 25 call are not in dispute. The administration’s own written summary of the conversation reveals that Mr. Trump pressured Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, a top political rival, and his son Hunter for supposed corruption. At the time of the call, Mr. Trump was withholding nearly $400 million in promised military aid to Ukraine — a topic that was alluded to in connection to his requests that Mr. Zelensky “do us a favor.”

Despite Mr. Trump’s claims to the contrary, this is not O.K.

which I agree with. That’s followed by some half-hearted defense of the House Democrats’ reluctance to hold a vote authorizing the inquiry:

First, there is nothing magical about a House vote authorizing an impeachment inquiry. The administration’s letter calls it a “necessary authorization,” but that’s simply false.

It’s false but unwise as the editors acknowledge later:

Ms. Pelosi also wants to protect Democratic members who represent more conservative districts from having to take a difficult vote that might come back to haunt them in 2020. This isn’t a very compelling rationale, especially when those same members will almost surely be called upon to vote on articles of impeachment soon enough.

They then challenge President Trump’s good faith:

Finally, Ms. Pelosi knows that Mr. Trump has no intention of cooperating with an impeachment inquiry, even if it were authorized by a vote. Instead, he would use what would likely be a party-line vote to further disparage the inquiry as a partisan hit job.

That’s probably true but I honestly have no idea. They present some contradicting evidence:

On Wednesday, Mr. Trump was asked whether he would cooperate if the House held a vote authorizing the impeachment inquiry. “Yeah, that sounds O.K.,” the president said. “We would if they give us our rights.”

Then they get to the real meat of the editorial:

And yet it may be a mistake for the Democrats to proceed much further without an authorization by the House. For one thing, a vote would strengthen Congress’s hand in any litigation arising out of the inquiry. A federal judge in Washington, Beryl Howell, said on Tuesday that having such a vote on record would make it “easier” for her to step in and make a ruling on House demands for documents or testimony.

Second, a resolution in support of the inquiry could also lay out specific ground rules, which could enhance the legitimacy of the inquiry in the minds of Americans.

Clearer, unified ground rules for this inquiry could address the other two main complaints in the White House’s letter: a lack of due process or subpoena power for the Republicans in the minority.

I agree with nearly every word of that. That’s my position.

They follow that by expressing skepticism again about the president’s good faith and pointing out that an authorization vote isn’t required before arriving here:

Still, there are good reasons to grant Mr. Trump certain procedural protections at this stage. For one thing, as Mr. Cipollone’s letter correctly notes, House Democrats gave President Nixon some of these protections during their impeachment inquiry in 1974, as did House Republicans with President Clinton in 1998. In that latter inquiry, House Republicans also gave Democrats in the minority some authority to issue subpoenas.

The bottom line is that Democrats need to honor basic fairness and conduct a thorough inquiry, but they also need to set hard limits on how much time they are willing to spend on any given negotiation or debate or vote.

Again, I agree with nearly every word of that. If the House Democrats are to produce anything but a partisan rallying cry that practically invites Republicans to vote against it and move independents, 40% of the country, to sympathize with Trump, it’s a purely partisan impeachment inquiry and ultimately vote which is widely considered unfair.

It all depends on what they want more.

10 comments… add one
  • TarsTarkas Link

    ‘Impeachment inquiry’ has a nice parsed ring to it. Sorta like ‘airplanes aimed themselves’, ‘gun violence’, ‘Policy whistleblower’ and other twistings of the English language.

    Pelosi & Co. can’t even decide what high crime or misdemeanor Trump committed, but he needs to be impeached and convicted for it? Not even Beria had the gall to do that. Orange Man Bad just doesn’t cut it.

    The ‘whistleblower’ reporting form gets changed to accept hearsay after the complaint (which has never been made public, only the letter) was filed and then back-dated, the leaker not only isn’t bitching about anything covered by the whistleblower law but couldn’t even get their facts straight about the phone call, and they get to testify anonymously behind closed doors to a totally partisan crowd? And we’re supposed to consider the proceedings fair and unbiased? At least Stalin held public show trials (for his more important rivals and enemies, anyway).

    This is Josef Goebbels’ tactics updated to modern times. Lie loudly and repeatedly until people start scratching their heads and saying, ‘well, they’re screaming about it so much, maybe there’s something to it.’

    Can’t the Democrats just run somebody who has a shot at winning or 2020? Or can’t they just wait him out until he’s term-limited? WTF is Trump so terrifying to establishment Democrats? It’s like he grew horns and a tail (my mistake, they obviously think he does).

  • PD Shaw Link

    I don’t know what the federal judge said, but I would expect that if the House is interested in using the federal courts to enforce its subpoena power, then the courts would be expected to want to know what is the nature of the inquiry so it can rule on whether the subpoena is too broad, seeks information available elsewhere, violates Constitutional separation of powers principles, or is subject to legitimate privileges. It took a federal judge over three years to evaluate the permissible scope of Congressional subpoena power in the “fast and furious” investigation, balancing the competing interests of the two branches. The more the House can give a judge to work with the more they could expect.

    It gets back to the contrast btw/ a broad view of impeachment power and a narrow, rule-of-law, view that closely resembles a criminal investigation. The broad view does’t require evidence of a legal nature and the courts may not wish to intervene if they feel its a political dispute. If its narrow, then at some point, the legal violation would need to be identified.

  • Guarneri Link

    I am unaware that the connection of a favor request is not only linked to investigation of the 2016 election and Ukraine/DNC but to Joe and Hunter Biden, other than through mind reading and bizarre resort to Mafia movies. A plain reading of the call transcript does not establish that. Am I mistaken? (I’m serious, did I misread or miss something?)

    The notions that a fair process is warranted should go without saying. Are we to believe that secret, non-first hand, apparently biased and agenda driven witnesses, and their interpretations, are the stuff of impeachment? Are we to believe that denial of cross examination, calling of defense witnesses and cross examination is the stuff of impeachment? Spare me the hyper-legalese. The Founders contemplated purely partisan processes, and rejected them. Anyone today who does not acknowledge same is an unserious person and to be ignored.

    As for the pure politics, I believe the American people know a kangaroo court when they see it. Further, as details emerge Obama, Biden, the DNC simply look worse and worse. It seems like a suicide mission for Democrats.

  • steve Link

    “The ‘whistleblower’ reporting form gets changed to accept hearsay after the complaint (which has never been made public, only the letter) was filed and then back-dated, the leaker not only isn’t bitching about anything covered by the whistleblower law but couldn’t even get their facts straight about the phone call, and they get to testify anonymously behind closed doors to a totally partisan crowd?”

    My understanding is that hearsay has always been allowed. Pretty hard to have a real whistleblowing possibility without that. As for the rest, it had to be reviewed by the (Trump appointee) IG who found it credible. So it looks like the loudly lying thing is mostly on your side.

    Steve

  • I would expect that if the House is interested in using the federal courts to enforce its subpoena power, then the courts would be expected to want to know what is the nature of the inquiry so it can rule on whether the subpoena is too broad, seeks information available elsewhere, violates Constitutional separation of powers principles, or is subject to legitimate privileges.

    If the House seeks relief from the courts, they should also be prepared for a court challenge to an impeachment itself if they fall to impeach for a “high crime and misdemeanor”.

    IIRC the notion, which I have repeated often enough, that a “high crime and misdemeanor” is whatever the House says it is originated with Gerald Ford. As a matter of practical politics, that’s right but I do not believe it has ever been tested. If the court refuses to hear such a case on the grounds that it’s a political matter, I would challenge a previous court order on subpoenas on the those grounds.

    Translation: if the courts are smart they’ll stay out of it entirely.

  • jan Link

    Just because an IG was appointed by Trump does not 100% guarantee he has not committed an error of judgment or an ethical breech.

    IMO, questionable actions deserve unbiased scrutiny. If said actions can be legitimately squared with reasonable explanations, most will feel greater assurance that fairness is being exercised. To the best of my knowledge, though, the Trump appointed IG has not even responded as to why whistleblower documentation was changed and backdated. Again, IMO, it is not conspiratorial to question any IG’s protocol, regarding the alterations of standard procedure, which conveniently dovetailed into expediting a complaint leading into partisan impeachment hearings of a sitting president.

    However, comparing and contrasting all perceived irregularities stemming from the controversial Ukraine call, there have been no content differences emerging from interviews with both primary people engaged in that phone call – Zelensky and Trump. In fact Zelensky has not only repeatedly reaffirmed the innocence of that call, but given expanded details supporting his and President Trump’s mutual assertions that no pressure or quid pro quo was extended or asserted in that conversation.

  • TarsTarkas Link

    Reply to Steve:

    ‘My understanding is that hearsay has always been allowed. Pretty hard to have a real whistleblowing possibility without that. As for the rest, it had to be reviewed by the (Trump appointee) IG who found it credible. So it looks like the loudly lying thing is mostly on your side. ‘

    Incorrect. The Complaint form stated clearly that evidence had to be first-hand. The form was quietly changed 9/24/19, updated 9/25/19, and back-dated to August, to include a ‘hearsay’ box. Atkinson has admitted to this in testimony.
    Now as to the law the complaint form was based on: It does not SPECIFICALLY say first-hand knowledge is necessary. Might very have been assumed when the law was written. Otherwise every Tom Dick and Jane could follow what Brennan is suggesting and file a bazillion complaints against anybody and everything. Encouraging hearsay is how we got the 1938 purge in the Soviet Union. Social convictions via hearsay is how #MeToo has become one of the most toxic cancel culture campaigns out there.
    Again the Law: The Whistleblower is allowed to blow the whistle on corruption or malfeasance. Stating there was a quid pro quo in the transcript of the phone call is a big stretch unless you selectively edit that call, which many news agencies did. I believe the courts have weighed in on this issue, in favor of the government. Otherwise every request by an elected official to a foreign country about anything could be construed as enhancing their electoral prospects.

  • steve Link

    “Otherwise every Tom Dick and Jane could follow what Brennan is suggesting and file a bazillion complaints against anybody and everything.”

    Nope. Whistleblower complaints have to go through the IG who then makes a determination on whether they are credible. The IG is appointed by the sitting POTUS. You simply won’t get bazillions of complaints unless POTUS did something wrong.

    “Now as to the law the complaint form was based on: It does not SPECIFICALLY say first-hand knowledge is necessary. ”

    So the form was changed to be in compliance with the law. If you are going to have whistleblowing and have it amount to anything you have to have hearsay evidence. Many people simply won’t come forward even with whistleblower protection. They think the CEO, commanding officer or POTUS will still come after them. Trump is doing his best to reinforce that belief. Having been through this, if you take away hearsay you might as well not have whistleblowing, BUT only if you have an IG (or someone similar) who is an a position to screen the complaints and see if they are credible.

    Of course the next step for the true partisan is to claim that the IG is really just a shill for the other side and/or doesn’t know their job. See above.

    Steve

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  • jan Link

    Steve, how many whistleblowers did the Obama administration prosecute? Did you or the MSM ever get upset over the stat that more were prosecuted than under any other president – 8, I believe, including one, harassed and threatened for years, because of his claims that an FBI investigation, dealing with Iranian sponsored drug smuggling (almost completed), was shut down because of Obama’s fears it might put some shade on his Agreement with Iran?

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