Income Inequality XI

Kevin Drum pooh-poohs one explanation for stagnant middle class income and suggests several others:

As it happens, swelling health care benefits aren’t enough to account for more than a small amount of middle class income stagnation over the past three decades. The arithmetic just doesn’t work out. But Matt is right that the weakest part of my story is coming up with a good causal account of how the top 1% sucked up so much money from the middle classes. But I think it’s a mistake to get overly wonky and look for some kind of geometric proof of how this happened. You’re just never going to get that. You’re never going to be able to point to a specific policy at time X that caused a specific transfer of income share at time Y.

Still, I don’t think that a plausible story of causation is really all that hard. First, take a look at middle class income stagnation. What caused that? Matt already pointed to one cause: monetary policy since the late 70s that’s kept inflation low at the cost of keeping labor markets persistently loose. To that, I’d add several other trends that have marked the past three decades: trade policies that accelerated the decline of U.S. manufacturing; domestic deregulation policies that squeezed workers; stagnation in the minimum wage; immigration policies that reduced wages at the low end; and a 30-year war against labor that devastated unions and reduced the bargaining power of the working class.

much of which I agree with and then continues with something that I don’t agree with at all:

Now, if these policies hadn’t been in place, middle class wages would likely have grown at about the same rate as the overall economy—just as they did in the postwar era. But they didn’t, and that meant that every year the money that would have gone to middle class wage increases instead went somewhere else.

I think that this is highly suspect. It reeks of the “lump of labor fallacy” or something very much like it. I think it’s far more likely that, absent certain policies to which I’d add healthcare policy, the incomes of people in the middle quintiles would have remained stagnant, so would those of people in the top quintile, the incomes of those in the top 1% of income earners would have grown less, and the incomes of the topmost .1% of income earners would have grown just about as fast.

As I see it there are several telling questions in discussing income and income inequality:

  1. How do you calculate income?

    In my view it makes a good deal more sense to talk about total compensation rather than just wage income. When you take total compensation into account, I think it reduces the “stagnation” argument considerably and total compensation certainly tells an interesting story about the changes in the lives of the poor, the working poor, the middle income, and those just above middle income. It doesn’t say much at all about why the incomes of the very rich are so high.

    And then there’s the question of changes in what people buy, an even thornier problem.

  2. What changes in income have been the consequence of policy?

    Kevin’s remark addresses this to some degree. I think that changes in trade and immigration policy over the period of the last forty years have tended to reduce the income of the lowest income earners (while increasing their buying power) and that changes in technology have reduced the income of middle income earners over the last twenty years. This, too, is the result of policy but policy at another remove.

    I’m more skeptical about unionization than Kevin is—I think that as long as we’re not willing to build a wall around the United States that what’s going on in the rest of the world will leak through to us and you can’t pay unskilled and semi-skilled labor here an ever-rising multiple of what unskilled and semi-skilled labor is paid elsewhere. How does the increasing reliance of organized labor on public sector workers unions fit into Kevin’s narrative?

    Healthcare policy has all but certainly increased the incomes of those working in the healthcare sector and many of those are in the top 1% of income earners. Relatively few are in the top .1% of income earners.

    Monetary, banking, and securities policies have almost certainly helped to increase the income of those in the financial sector and that growth accounts for a substantial proportion of the rising inequality. It also accounts for some proportion of the increased income among the top .1%.

  3. Is the increased income of the top .1% of income earners the result of lower income among those in the middle and lower income brackets?

    I’m not convinced of this. I think there’s a good argument that some of the income increases among the top 1% and the income stagnation or decline among those in lower brackets have common causes. But that the former causes the latter? Not so sure.

    I genuinely doubt that Bill Gates, Michael Jordan, or Mark Zuckerberg getting rich resulted in poor people getting poorer. I think they’re rich because they’re prodigies, there are a lot of people, and the economy is huge. How many of those in the top .1% of income earners fit into that category? I have no idea.

  4. Is income inequality bad?

    As I’ve said before my ideal society is one in which people are much more equal and freer than they are now. I’m little more concerned about the political influence of the top .1% of income earners than I am about that of the top 1%. Both are disproportionate and I think a lot more of the latter are dependent on rent-seeking.

  5. Can anything be done about it?

    In my view this is the really critical question. I have grave doubts that transferring income from the top .1% to the next .9% will actually do much about income inequality or reduce its negative social and political effects to the extent that there are any but that’s what most of the proposals I hear do.

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  • john personna Link

    5 is missing.

    Buried in that poverty story is this:

    “The official poverty rate for those ages 18 to 64 is currently 12.9 percent, the highest since 1960s levels that launched the war on poverty. Under the revised formula, working-age poverty increases even higher, to 14.8 percent.”

    The question, like other numbers, is “cyclical or structural?”

  • steve Link

    “Is the increased income of the top .1% of income earners the result of lower income among those in the middle and lower income brackets?
    I’m not convinced of this.”

    Do not have the reference at hand, but IIRC their is a higher fraction of earnings going to management rather than labor than was seen in the past. Also, Gates may be a good example of successful rent seeking. If we had a better OS at lower costs, that would have made a small difference for the rest of us.

    “I’m little more concerned about the political influence of the top .1% of income earners than I am about that of the top 1%.”

    Odd. You really think that the guy making $400,000 a year gets the same kind of influence as the guy who has billion dollars? I guess, in theory, 2,500 of them could band together to try to achieve the same level of influence, but the world does not work that way.

    “In my view this is the really critical question. I have grave doubts that transferring income from the top .1% to the next .9% ”

    Why do you assume that this is a goal? It certainly isnt mine and I do not explicitly recall that being the goal for anyone else (thought that could be a memory issue). Money=Power forever. Having so much of our capital in the hands of so few people is bound to lead bad decisions at some point, and probably already has. Cant say that I care a lot about where it goes, as long as it is not so concentrated.

    Steve

  • Gates may be a good example of successful rent seeking.

    How about Steve Jobs?

    Odd. You really think that the guy making $400,000 a year gets the same kind of influence as the guy who has billion dollars?

    No, but 100,000 of them do. I can think of several organizations that fit that description. And, since their members are quite dependent on the public purse, they have strong motivations to influence policy. Consider the top donors, 1989 to 2010. Realtors, physicians, public employees, construction trades, accounting firms, shipping companies.

    Also Goldman Sachs, J. P. Morgan-Chase, bankers, and so on. No billionaires on the list, except indirectly through their firms (there are limitations on individual contributions).

    You got something specific, steve, or just fear and innuendo? I can point to specific contribution numbers for AFSCME. That’s influence.

    Why do you assume that this is a goal?

    Because that’s the proximate result of the solutions that are proposed.

    Primary effect of negative income tax (for example): income redistribution to lowest income quintiles

    Primary effect of increasing education: redistribution to educators

    Just one example.

  • steve Link

    “You got something specific, steve, or just fear and innuendo? I can point to specific contribution numbers for AFSCME. That’s influence.”

    Rupert Murdoch, Turner, Bloomberg, Forbes. All very wealthy people with political agendas who control (or have controlled) significant parts of the media. Astroturfing done for both political and business purposes. I would submit that Goldman, et al are also a good example of money equaling power. They did not suffer nearly the losses they should have for the mess they caused.

    Direct face time with politicians and the ability to capture important offices should also count IMHO. I do not recall the name of the last AFSME member to run Treasury.

    AFSCME. Sigh. While I have always agreed that there are problems with public sector unions, you apparently think that if the financial clout of 1.6 million people is about the same as one billionaire, that means it makes sense that they should have an equal ability to influence policy? How about Meg Whitman? $119 million. Almost 3 times what AFSCME donated? Bloomberg $85 million.

    And, as you know, there s a lot of stuff going on off the books. That senator’s kid that needs a job? AFSCME? I dont think so. That kid went to law school or business school. Who gives him or her a job? And that is just the politics. What about the economic consequences of having our wealth held by a very small number of people?

    Steve

  • The top .1% represents a total of about 140,000 tax returns. That’s not a lot of people/families. I would like to see some kind of argument about how that group of people are essentially taking money from tens-of-millions of American workers.

  • how the top 1% sucked up so much money from the middle classes.

    I see that you noticed Drum’s model of reality when you wrote “I genuinely doubt that Bill Gates, Michael Jordan, or Mark Zuckerberg getting rich resulted in poor people getting poorer.”

    I wonder what mechanism Drum is proposing for this transfer of wealth? It’s not taxes because wealthy people are paying more in benefits than they receive. I’m at a loss to see how wealth is being directly transferred from the middle class to the wealthy. I can see indirect methods through rentseeking arrangements having some role, but my guess is that the effect of rentseeking doesn’t explain the bulk of the income inequality.

    immigration policies that reduced wages at the low end;

    Kudos to Drum for even mentioning this but he’s only describing one effect. More people in society means more infrastructure must be built and more houses too. More infrastructure means more taxes. More houses means prices rise due to scarcity. Look at the tax burden as a share of family income over the last 50 years.

  • But Matt is right that the weakest part of my story is coming up with a good causal account of how the top 1% sucked up so much money from the middle classes.

    Heh, funny a few years ago I said I found this claim dubious in that it assumes a fixed economic “pie” and that if the rich get more the non-rich must necessarily get less. Drum quickly claimed that wasn’t his position, guess he’s changed his mind now.

    But I think it’s a mistake to get overly wonky and look for some kind of geometric proof of how this happened.

    As usual Drum can’t be arsed to support his claim, and who cares class warfare is a great political tool, whether its true or not who gives a shit?

    You’re just never going to get that. You’re never going to be able to point to a specific policy at time X that caused a specific transfer of income share at time Y.

    Must be nice to insulate one’s theories and views from empirical support.

    Still, I don’t think that a plausible story of causation is really all that hard. First, take a look at middle class income stagnation. What caused that? Matt already pointed to one cause: monetary policy since the late 70s that’s kept inflation low at the cost of keeping labor markets persistently loose.

    Despite the fact that since the 1970’s unemployment has been lower than prior to the 1970’s, especially when you look at the late 1980’s, the 1990’s up to about 2007.

    To that, I’d add several other trends that have marked the past three decades: trade policies that accelerated the decline of U.S. manufacturing; domestic deregulation policies that squeezed workers; stagnation in the minimum wage; immigration policies that reduced wages at the low end; and a 30-year war against labor that devastated unions and reduced the bargaining power of the working class.

    So, we’ll keep industries we shouldn’t like the automobile industry. We’ll just have to subsidize it…now how that works with maintaining rising wages is beyond me. Apparently Drum thinks we can do this without facing any negative consequences. Notice that health care never makes it to his list. Okay, maybe it doesn’t explain all of the wage stagnation, but it probably should be a factor, but he excludes it because it doesn’t work all by itself.

    Dave:

    much of which I agree with and then continues with something that I don’t agree with at all:

    You shouldn’t it is shit economic analysis…as usual. Drum knows just enough to sound like he knows what he is talking about, but in the end he doesn’t.

    Now, if these policies hadn’t been in place, middle class wages would likely have grown at about the same rate as the overall economy—just as they did in the postwar era. But they didn’t, and that meant that every year the money that would have gone to middle class wage increases instead went somewhere else.

    Like some of it going to health care? The measure should be total compensation, not wages since wages are a portion of total compensation. Firms only look at total compensation, not just wages. If a firm looked at just wages it would be like a firm looking at just variable costs and ignoring fixed costs. Such a firm would not be around for long. Now, is total compensation rising at a rate similar to the growth in the economy?

    There are other issues here as well. For example, while monetary policy has been raised, one aspect of that policy has been to flatten out the business cycle as well as lower over all economic growth rates. Is that a factor in wages?

    As I’ve said before my ideal society is one in which people are much more equal and freer than they are now. I’m little more concerned about the political influence of the top .1% of income earners than I am about that of the top 1%. Both are disproportionate and I think a lot more of the latter are dependent on rent-seeking.

    The implications here are very interesting if you think about it. First off, it provides a mechanism that could support Drum’s contention that the rich have gotten richer at the expense of the poor. Monopoly profits come from consumers and hence fits his narrative. A monopsonist in the labor market samething. But what is the solution to rent-seeking? How do you make the government less susceptible to those use money to purchase influence and results via the political process? Make the government more authoritarian? Reduce the power of government? I’m not so convinced about the former, and the latter will be difficult as people rarely give up power easily once they’ve obtained it. In any event the idea of expanding the power of government strikes me as the most foolhardy approach, but that is the policy Drum favors in almost every instance.

    For such a smart sounding guy his is actually quite the fool

  • Tango,

    I wonder what mechanism Drum is proposing for this transfer of wealth?

    Why none of course, we can’t be bothered with details like that, so long as you have a narrative that fits your political view point and you can use to further your sides agenda who even cares?

    I’m at a loss to see how wealth is being directly transferred from the middle class to the wealthy.

    It goes something like this:

    While the overall economy has expanded in the last 30 or so years, wages have not kept pace, therefore that “extra money” that normally would have gone into wages had to go somewhere, so into the pocket of the rich.

    Never mind that in theory, a worker at a competitive firm is paid what the value of his marginal product. Firms have somehow managed to drive a wedge in there according to Drum. How, again who cares we’ve got a nice narrative for the polemics so don’t fret the details.

    I can see indirect methods through rentseeking arrangements having some role, but my guess is that the effect of rentseeking doesn’t explain the bulk of the income inequality.

    And if it does there are some rather interesting implications here. If rent seeking is a factor, even a significant factor (e.g. his anti-union claims) then what is the solution? Rent seeking is the result of a representative government with discretionary powers. So do you get rid of the representative government or the discretionary powers? For Drum one might guess neither is a good choice, but who knows maybe he’d throw representative government under the bus first.

  • Icepick Link

    AFSCME. Sigh. While I have always agreed that there are problems with public sector unions, you apparently think that if the financial clout of 1.6 million people is about the same as one billionaire, that means it makes sense that they should have an equal ability to influence policy?

    Given that AFSCME members actually ARE the government, yes I do think that’s plausible. Especially when we get “educators” telling us that we have to spend buttloads of money on educators “for the children.” Or police and fire unions getting both great salaries and insane retirement benefits because they’re “protecting” the public. (I’ll buy that the fire department is doing its job. But so far in my personal life the police have been badly outclassed by the criminals. The best the police seem to do is occassionally catch the odd Courvoisier Winetavius Richardson AFTER he’s robbed a bunch of banks.)

    The pols are smart enough to know that the public employees can ruin their careers by several means. They will pander to them when push comes to shove.

    On last point, steve. Just because the billionaires get theirs doesn’t mean the public unions don’t get theirs too. The two groups aren’t necessarily opposed, and in fact I imagine that most of the time they either don’t care what the other group is doing, or they will work together.

  • john personna Link

    It seems obvious what is driving this change in wealth and poverty. It is the big sweep of history. We got a good wind, post WWII, when we were the last man standing. We were generating so much wealth on a national scale that much could be siphoned to low skills jobs.

    What was that number? That Broadway props workers make 200K on average? It’s the same thing in microcosm. There is enough money (or has been enough) on Broadway to support that.

    For a long time our competitors were Europeans who took the siphon even more seriously, building as they did huge social programs.

    Of course we bought Fords and not Triumphs.

    Unfortunately (from our local perspective) the rise of Asia brought something new. It was a hugely motivated labor force which didn’t play by the same rules. They didn’t mind studying and working hard for long hours at low pay because it was so much better than what they’d known.

    So now, basically, our poor (but not just our poor) wonder why they can’t work 40 hours, have two cars in the driveway of a suburban house, and spend their weekends at the lake.

    Well, that can’t happen until the Chinese and Vietnamese demand the same things.

    And, the sad alternative, is that our low skilled labor is going to start looking a lot like theirs.

  • john personna Link

    Oh, I covered the poor more than the rich above.

    The rich continue to triumph because they have moved to provide management and financing for the whole global system. They are not as dependent on productive US labor as they were, say, in 1960.

  • john personna Link

    (No one would like my solution to this, which is a sort of hard-nosed compassion. I think we should give everyone basic medical care, cheap apartments for those who need them, good public transportation. But, that is for the poor, a segment that we can’t really stop from growing. We can’t afford our current fantasy – that government action can hold everyone in the middle class. You want a car? Sorry buddy, you are a barrista. You can’t afford a car.)

  • john personna Link

    Not to single anybody out, but:

    “It’s just ridiculous. Every day it’s another big bite out of my income. I’ve gone from $40 for a fill-up to $60 for a fill-up in just the past several weeks,” said Eric Ott, a 47-year-old Valley Glen resident who saw prices as high as $3.89 a gallon Friday from behind the wheel of his 2007 Jeep Liberty.

    To Ott, a freelance information technology troubleshooter who used to command as much as $60 an hour, it doesn’t feel like the recession has ended. With so many out-of-work IT specialists competing for jobs, Ott says he’s earning only about $35 an hour.

    What we’re seeing there is erosion at the low end of the tech hierarchy. $35 is still good, on a global scale, when you can get it.

  • $35 is still good, on a global scale, when you can get it.

    And it’s fine for moonlighting here but not so good if you’re trying to make a living freelancing. Using the conventional rules that relate hourly rates to annual incomes for consultants (the formula that was used at A. T. Kearney) that would translate to an annual income of about $23,000. Fantastic if you’re living in Sao Paolo. Not so good in Southern California.

  • john personna Link

    That line was really my half-kindness to Ott, should he google us.

    (I’m kind of surprised that no one has complained about my mean “you are a barista” line. It’s worse.)

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