Coup/Counter-Coup

The other tragic aspect of yesterday’s events, beyond the fact of them, is that everybody seems to think that they’re in the right. Those who’ve hated Trump all along are filled with “I told you so”s. Far from seeing what they’re doing as a coup attempt they see what they’re doing as a reaction to a coup attempt. There is no meeting of minds.

I’m seeing lots of calls for Trump’s impeachment and removal or his removal under the 25th Amendment:

Washington Post

PRESIDENT TRUMP’S refusal to accept his election defeat and his relentless incitement of his supporters led Wednesday to the unthinkable: an assault on the U.S. Capitol by a violent mob that overwhelmed police and drove Congress from its chambers as it was debating the counting of electoral votes. Responsibility for this act of sedition lies squarely with the president, who has shown that his continued tenure in office poses a grave threat to U.S. democracy. He should be removed.

David Landau and Rosalind Dixon, New York Times

The magnitude of the current crisis calls for both of these measures. The threat the president poses to our democracy is not short-lived and must be cut off urgently and decisively — before it leads to even greater degradation to American democratic processes and traditions. It will need to happen quickly, even with other demands pressing on our country’s leadership like certifying the election results, rolling out the coronavirus vaccine and calming a nation in crisis.

To do this, the cabinet and Congress must deploy the 25th Amendment and impeachment in sequence.

Bret Stephens, New York Times

It wasn’t hard to see, when it began, that it would end exactly the way it has. Donald Trump is America’s willful arsonist, the man who lit the match under the fabric of our constitutional republic.

The duty of the House of Representatives and the Senate, once they certify Joe Biden’s election, is to reconvene, Wednesday night if possible, to impeach the president and then remove him from office and bar him from ever holding office again.

New York Times

The president needs to be held accountable — through impeachment proceedings or criminal prosecution — and the same goes for his supporters who carried out the violence. In time, there should be an investigation of the failure of the Capitol Police to prepare for an attack that was announced and planned in public.

This is not just an attack on the results of the 2020 election. It is a precedent — a permission slip for similar opposition to the outcomes of future elections. It must be clearly rejected, and placed beyond the pale of permissible conduct.

The leaders of the Republican Party also bear a measure of responsibility for the attack on the Capitol.

Matthew Continetti, National Review

There will be time to sort through the wreckage of the conservative movement and the Republican Party. There is not as much time — a little less than 14 days — to constrain the president before he plunges the nation’s capital into havoc again. Incitement to trespass, harassment, and destruction cannot go unanswered. The Constitution offers remedies. Pursue them — for no other reason than to deter the president from escalation. There must be a cost for reckless endangerment of the United States government. Trump must pay.

David French, Time

The American system is under great strain – greater strain than I’ve ever seen in my entire adult life. But the system is strong. It contains the means of dealing with a deranged president. Even now, mere days before the still-certain inauguration of Joe Biden, the House can impeach Trump. The Senate can convict Trump. Together they can banish Trump from public office.

In addition, Article I, Section 5, Clause 2 of the Constitution grants each house of Congress the ability to expel a member on a 2/3 vote. The House and Senate should give those members who objected to the counting of the electoral votes – and who stoked the fear and paranoia of the mob – an opportunity to withdraw their baseless objections. If they refuse, they should be expelled.

The Dispatch

Maintaining the honor and integrity of the Party of Lincoln has fallen on too few hands these last four years. Sens. Mitt Romney, Ben Sasse. and Pat Toomey, Reps. Liz Cheney, Adam Kinziger, Mike Gallagher, and others haven’t always spoken out as much as some Trump critics would like, but they have spoken up when it has mattered most, specifically right now. Discarding this president and presidency at the finish line isn’t ideal, and many will say “too little, too late.” But given the stakes, we say, better late than never.

So, we call on the House to impeach President Trump. We call on the Senate to convict him and to disqualify him from holding “any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States.”

We also recognize that the 25th Amendment permits the vice president and a majority of the Cabinet to remove the president if they deem him “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” If those closest to the president in good faith find that he has become so unmoored from reality that he cannot discharge his duties, as all outward indications would suggest, then they have an obligation to act.

These measures are difficult. They require political courage. Because they require courage, they may be unlikely. But how much violence and chaos must our nation endure before we understand that cowardice has a cost? Trump has abused his office. He has violated the public trust. And now he has incited a violent attack on the Capitol and Congress. He must be removed.

If President Trump had a shred of decency or grace, he would resign and spare the country from the coming ordeal. He’s shown few signs of either of those during his term of office. Tom Paine put it best: “These are the times that try men’s souls.”

What will happen following Trump’s resignation or removal is that Mike Pence will become president. We are in all likelihood in for a very chaotic few weeks and that is likely to be true whether he stays or leaves. If he stays, will he continue to rouse his supporters? All indications are he will and the disorder in the capitol will not only be repeated it may well spread.

The events also call the 2024 presidential election into question. Will Trump be eligible to run again? Will supporting his removal qualify or disqualify one from seeking the office?

Update

Wall Street Journal

Mr. Biden will become President at noon on Jan. 20, and until then the police need to restore order with as much force as necessary. Republicans especially need to speak against trespass and violence. As for Mr. Trump, to steal some famous words deployed in 1940 against Neville Chamberlain : “In the name of God, go.”

14 comments… add one
  • PD Shaw Link

    David French is insane, expelling members because of how they voted? I’m not sure I’ve heard of anything more destructive of our political institutions the last four years than the majority expelling members for being on the wrong side of a vote. This would deny representation to everybody in their districts. Stupid also because I very much doubt legislators would vote for it in the first place.

    Also would love to see the impeachment people lay out a timeframe for this happening, checking off all of the procedural steps, or if the procedures need to be changed, providing for the timing of those steps. In thirteen days if at all possible.

  • That caught my attention, too. It’s why I included it in my round-up.

    I’m also curious about how advocates plan to bar Trump, if impeached and removed, from running for re-election in 2024.

    In case I didn’t make my own position clear, my preference is for Trump to resign. That would solve lots of problems and minimize chaos.

  • PD Shaw Link

    I remember a discussion last year about whether the House should just pocket its impeachment for presentment at a later date when it might have a better chance or to act as a check on his worse impulses. If they had done that, they would be halfway there by now.

    Just as an example though, the Senate spent 10 days to decide whether the House prosecutors should be allowed to issue subpoenas. (They lost 49-51 with Romney and Collins voting with the Democrats) I assume Trump’s representatives will want to subpoena witnesses, how quickly could that happen and how much would speedy short-cuts delegitimize the process to make things worse? The Senate in particular is not a quick body, each Senator is his/her own judge of the law and jury of the facts and they like the opportunity to explain themselves. I’m guessing a lot of legislators just want to go home right now.

    If Trump had any self-respect he would resign in a show of decency that would reflect well on him and do a lot of good for the country. And if my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle.

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    Magical thinking and writing out ideas without a filter seems to be legacy of Trump; or is Trump just reflecting the wider culture?

    It certainly would be best if Trump resigned, he seems to have lost all interest in the actual job of governing. But back to reality….

    Congress through impeachment and trial; can impose the penalty that a convicted official cannot hold another Federal office.

    “Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States

    It could be a mistake for Democrats like Schumer to call for removal. Involving oneself in another parties fight rarely works out as intended.

    As mentioned yesterday, if anyone is going to read the riot act to Trump, it is Pence and McConnell, and maybe Trump’s kids / Melania if they are still attached to reality.

  • Grey Shambler Link

    Charles Kushner, Donald Trump’s close ally and father to son-in-law Jared Kushner, has told friends the president’s behaviour was “beyond our control”, according to The New York Times.

    The comments from Mr Kushner, who received a presidential pardon, were in response to a confidante who urged him in an email, obtained by the Times, to “get trump to be an American” instead of an *expletive*.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/us :

    In the exchange, Kushner family friend Bob Sommer told the 66-year-old that he “texted Jared as well”, along with Ivanka Trump after she called the protestors “American patriots” in a Twitter post.

    “Got it and beyond our control,” Mr Kushner replied, according to the Times.

  • steve Link

    Agree that wanting to expel people for their vote is nonsense. Also, no way is Trump stepping down. 25th amendment and impeachment are crazy. It takes 2 weeks just to fill out any paperwork in DC.

    I was post call and home yesterday morning. (Sent a totally healthy person between 20-40, non-obese, with Covid off for a heart transplant, assuming they survive this acute Covid stage. Severe Bi-V failure. Have seen lots of heart failure but seldom this bad. Anyway, I was watching an interview with Mulvaney. He said over and over that trump wanted to do things that were not good ideas (illegal or unconstitutional seems to be implied) but that his advisers talked him out of it. He thought his current group of advisers (Giuliani, Wood, etc) are not talking him out of his impulses and even encouraging them.

    Steve

  • PD Shaw Link

    I think a lot more attention needs to be paid to the Capitol Police. This is a legislative body that serves a narrow purpose of protecting the members of Congress and Congressional property. As an aside, in my state the Secretary of State, an independent Constitutional officer, has an Illinois Capitol Police force, which has a legislative liaison appointed to be the contact person.

    This was an utter failure of the primary and limited function of a legislative agency. I’ve seen pictures of the Police waiving protesters past the barricades. ??? No arrests reported? Explanation given is that they didn’t plan for criminal misconduct. What do you think your job is?

    Given that this is a legislative agency, every member of the legislature could have reached out if they had concerns about security, and they probably did not because they didn’t anticipate any of this. Also, I’ve never heard of an underfunded legislative agency.

    The Illinois Capitol police will say the hardest part of their job is security at protest rallies (and they allow some rallies inside). They have to balance people wanting to express their views with safety. They have to arrest people who get out of hand, even if most people are fine. I’m pretty stunned that the Congressional police force does not seem to know or understand their job, and part of me starts to wonder if people don’t usually go to the Capitol building to protest, maybe that’s more of a SCOTUS / White House issue? I find the whole thing baffling.

  • PD Shaw Link

    I’m not sure I was clear on one point. I don’t think it was reasonable to expect this specific turn of events, it is reasonable to expect any “protest rally” to carry significant risk of damage to property or members of Congress no matter what the cause, either because of radical fridge elements or dynamics of crowds, or simply a number have come specifically intending to be arrested.

  • bob sykes Link

    I suppose Trump should resign. Actually, it would be safest for him and his family if they left the country, permanently. He has no political future of any kind.

    However, any attempt to remove him now, with only two weeks to go, would inflame some of his supporters and precipitate even more violence. It might tip us into a revolutionary period.

    As to French, he is utterly contemptible, and he is a cancer on the Republican Party. Of course there are many others. Bill Kristol comes to mind.

  • CuriousOnlooker Link

    For the opinion writers, the media, politicians, even the President-elect.

    “He who has knowledge spares his words, And a man of understanding is of a calm spirit. Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive.” Proverbs 17:27-28

  • Andy Link

    I tend to think the next two weeks will not be chaos. Yesterday was a catharsis. The election is certified and even Trump has now accepted that that jig is up even if he still insists he won. So Trump is now, finally, where Clinton was after 2016 – accepting defeat but not admitting defeat.

    For Trump’s moronic enablers, they’ve discovered it’s hard to have it both ways. They are the dogs who thought they could chase the car for appearance’s sake but were unprepared to catch it.

    If Trump had integrity he would resign, but of course, he doesn’t. If Pelosi had any political courage she would have brought impeachment articles up today for a vote instead of, again, deferring to executive officers and the VP to use the 25th amendment. But of course, she doesn’t.

    So I think the next two weeks will be filled with quiet anxiety. Everyone will be waiting for another shoe to drop. Biden will get inaugurated on the 20th and then Trump will become very busy with this own legal and financial problems.

  • steve Link

    BTW, it turns out that the guy Drew referred to is quite the keen financial analyst. He understands central banking.

    https://twitter.com/INVESTMENTSHULK/status/1347086756278128641

    Steve

  • Andy Link

    Lol, that video is priceless.

  • Grey Shambler Link

    I’m not too sure I would ever leave U.S. soil if I were Trump. G.W. Bush hasn’t. Iran has a price on Trump’s head now and they’re not likely to forget that.

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